Nye poster

Dave, there is no point in deleting messages. They can still be seen.

I still don't get why dont you unban players ffs. Lion deserves a pardon, I agree with my compatriot. He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup. Let's not fuck around and unban players ffs. the faster the better. If you don't unban players, at this point it shows that you care more about your ego than the game. Besides bugs and lion, what was the main reason players like Jugers or Trystane got the banhammer? 3 and a half years on, that is over 1200 days, there is no point in keeping the bans. Please consider it. The game is worse than it was 1 year ago, and has been that way forever. In some sense im surprised we can still get games with 8 people.

Besides, I don't like to blame Sid for whatever happend. Yes, he did make mistakes but he is one of the reasons I'm still into atwar to this day. He has always been a nice person to me and taught me a lot of stuff - I know he is a good person.

Skrevet av Dave, 07.04.2025 at 05:08

Skrevet av Nero, 02.04.2025 at 18:54

Hi I am Nero

I don't exactly agree with your assessment, but I do appreciate your feedback. If we were to talk perhaps you would see things differently from my perspective -- or perhaps we would never agree 100%. But either way my metaphorical door is open to you, any time. (I think you know my personal Discord but if not Sascha can give it to you.)

Hope you are doing well.

Great, don't agree with any assessment that goes against what you wish were true. You haven't heard a single person out, you just go back to justifying killing the game while continuing to delete posts. This game is a safe space Dave, YOUR safe space.

What more can be said? It's literally been the same discussion for years. If you still don't see that what happened was in some way wrong, you never will.

But, this is your house and you make the rules. Enjoy your empty, lonely home.

Hope you are well as well.

Skrevet av Dave, 07.04.2025 at 06:23

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I've made my share of mistakes. I made Lion a supporter, for example, and gave him access to the official atWar Discord. He repaid my trust in him by nuking said Discord. Obviously that was a bad staff pick on my part. (And this is the guy people want unbanned? Never going to happen.... but I digress.)

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People agree that a pardon should be necessary. I don't see the danger of certain players being there if they're not part of your staff. So, what are they going to do? PLAY THE GAME? HAVE FUN LIKE BEFORE? VALUE THE TIME THEY HAVE? w.e.

Skrevet av Metyu, 04.04.2025 at 05:54

Skrevet av Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:14

Skrevet av b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 00:15

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Nice necropost

Necropost? It was never fixed.

He's using a post from 4 years ago to bitch about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this post.

Guess it's time to lock the thread.

Skrevet av KYBL, 06.04.2025 at 21:34

Joined in 2011, this game was high school for me. Stopped playing in 2016, came back during the pandemic but by that point the game was largely dead. Still come back to fuck around with the maps while listening to podcasts or something.

And agreed with Nero on the safe space stuff. A war-based strategy game is always going to attract the type of people who are interested in geopolitics, and therefore geopolitical banter. It's what made the community what it was.

I definitely don't think atWar is a "safe space", and I wouldn't want it to be!

Skrevet av Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

First of all waffel, you dont know shit about the reasons i resigned. You dont know shit about the way I was as a mod, what m'y opinions are or what I was saying in mod forum

I dont want to argue with you, but your perception of m'y rôle in atwar décline IS Silly

Me having a Big mouth might be a problem but i had nothing to do with most of the décisions that provoked this décline. Ask Nero if you dont trust me. I Never permabanned anyone (except one Guy who was IP fishing).

That being said, it was a mistake to ban all these players due to spam and forum posts, perman ban waffel or chill guys liké Lion was wrong, even Lao who i Never liked, Never deserved that treatment, to Say thé least.

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

Dave it's Time to show that you have a big heart and let this nerds enjoy a truly Amazing game and sherish their souvenirs.

Kaska you're my favorite Frenchman on atWar, but I still can't agree with you.

To be honest I don't even remember banning Waffel, but I guess I must have. As you can see I haven't banned his alt or even deleted his messages, even though they are dumb. I'm tolerating his presence.

What Lion did was unforgivable. Not only did he break my trust, he's made no compensation for the damage he caused. He did apologize which I appreciated, but that didn't undo the damage. So I really can't believe how you support him.

As for the rest, there are really very few people who we bother to keep out of here. I know several who were either banned back in 2021, or deleted their own accounts, who have come back on alts. As long as they don't bother anybody I look the other way and let them play. Not everybody, but several.

Skrevet av Ghostface, 04.04.2025 at 11:39

I think dave surrounded himself with the wrong people and whats worse he trusted them and gave them power, which is normal actually the most power hungry people are the ones to make it and then use that power how they want
like Stalin in the Ussr he didnt rule it for so long by being a great statesman for sure , and reading by the comments here on sid u can draw a pretty good parallel, ban dissenters and surround urself with puppets and yes-men.
These are ppl that dont really care about the good of the game but their own ego , if everyone was against them they would permaban everyone destroy the community and leave themselves too just in spite. (which kinda happened already)
If dave thinks hes flawless and hasnt made a single wrong decision in picking staff , bans or whatever then hes an egoist too and theres simply no point to argue about that.
Marking people as toxic and permabanning is also illogical cus who decides who is toxic or not its not a logical measurement , and id bet if u made an anyonymous poll about dave , sid croat or whoever majority would mark them as toxic too.
Many years ago i remember reading the forum drama of croat vs CE, which was some of the funniest banter ive ever read but if that happened today the posts and threads would be deleted, croat would be called toxic,racist and permabaned maybe and CE too as well which puts todays situation in perspective , its probably why nowadays theres not much discussion going on in forums anyway since they have been "sterilized" of toxicity.
Banning or permaban ppl for cheating is k , but permabaning bugs for cheating while slapping pavle on the wrist for the same thing and letting him keep supporter status , id rather u just come and take a crap on my head
than doing this kangaroo court stuff.

I am definitely not flawless.

I've made my share of mistakes. I made Lion a supporter, for example, and gave him access to the official atWar Discord. He repaid my trust in him by nuking said Discord. Obviously that was a bad staff pick on my part. (And this is the guy people want unbanned? Never going to happen.... but I digress.)

On the other hand do I think it was a mistake to ban people who came at me personally? No. Don't come into my house and insult me and then be surprised when I throw you out. (This is how I look at atWar. It's not a democracy!)

You're right in one way though -- it's practically impossible to have a logical measurement of who is "toxic" or not. I don't have any problem with the "toxic banter", I even enjoy it too sometimes. There is a line somewhere that gets crossed and it's hard to say exactly where it is, except usually you just know it because people go waaaaay past it. I think its fair to say this was one of the things we struggled with the most in the moderation team -- figuring out where to draw the line in many different situations.

A lot of moderation decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, and there are very often facts that influence our decisions that we don't discuss publicly. Bugs for example was banned for a lot more than just cheating, and I'm not going to go into it even now. (And I hate to even mention his name, because now it'll only be a few hours until he crawls out of wherever he is and replies from some new alt.....) I'm not condoning Pavle but he was punished appropriately and I believe he's learned his lesson. Those 2 situations are not even close to the same thing.

Skrevet av YourSphinx, 04.04.2025 at 00:44

Sphinx.

[Dave]:
Not here to placate waffels 300th goodbye post or stir up past grievances. First, Dave I owe you a small apology for 2022. I never had any grievances with you and still don't to this day. I'm grateful you bought this place and kept the lights on, even if it didn't make financial sense from an IRR perspective. I've long known you've had deranged, resentful communist types in your ear whispering about their grandiose game plans in which you MUST purge players, that just so happen to align with their petty, decade long inferiority complexes. I've never held that against you. More on that later. I've never blame you once for anything that happened here and you have my gratitude. I know I'll take some shit from ole lao for saying this, but who cares, I've always been my own player.

[Nostalgia fagging, can skip]:
Of all of the years I played this game, I'd say 2017-2018 was my favorite, with the covid season being a close second. 2017-18 era was peak competition, aristrocrats, mk, illyria, peaky blinders, amigos and more. I remember I was invited to aristo by Klevis, as probably the only developed rank 7 at the time. Days later, Klevis never logged in again, so I was in search for a new clan. I remember looking at Illyria, one of the three great clans and wanting in. I was hungry for knowledge and Laochra, who I consider the most complete player ever, was who I wanted to learn from. I joined. It was dead. A dusty hall of old legends who hadn't really competed in years. Lao was occasionally dueling but there was no one to clanwar with. I invited 4nic my best friend and 2v2 partner. We began dominating and slowly the clan began to stir back to life. Lao integrated us well, acq became active again, dbacks too, khal for a season or two before he ran off to get married. Chill ran a tight ship, nero was our cheerleader and syrian depressingly wandered the halls, I was in love. I got my friends boywind and witch-doctor to join. We dominated the clan war scene for a year straight with decisive season wins. We had such a stacked squad that our second string could've probably won seasons alone. Everyone hated us, except for us. We had a monopoly on talent, with the personalities to go with it We were a tightly knit clique that other clans tried to emulate, but could never. Total Illyrian Nationalism. This lead to a resentful out group, more on this later.

Covid was a fun season where everyone came back and we had the most active, most competitive season to date. The gameplay was sketchier and more unconventional, but at the end of the day, it was an amazing way to spend the pandemic and have one last dance with familiar friends and foes. And I am grateful.

[The elephant in the room]:
When Dave bought this game there was a power vacuum and extreme information asymmetry from a player to owner standpoint. Asymmetric information occurs when one party has more superior information than another. In this case Dave, who hadn't wasted years of his life on this wonderful game like us, was at a disadvantage. He was brutally taken advantage of by Sid, to no fault of his own. When buying the game, Dave was not aware of the extremely nuanced player caste system, who to listen to, who to avoid, who to trust. it would've been impossible. He was taken advantage of by a resentful player who pretended to have altruistic and unbiased narratives but used the unaware dave as a bludgeon against all of his in-game opponents.

[Mini history lesson]
Mods typically were a combination of player votes and an inner mod conclusive vote. Mods consisted of many well respected, top players with freakish outliers like sultan, google chrome, and a younger version of cold case (he's cool now). Sid was not voted by players nor elected by mods. He spent his time sucking off Sun Tzu, the admin at the time, in a similar way he did to Dave. Sid was quietly and unilaterally promoted by the now disgraced Sun Tzu days before he was demoted for taking bribes from a player to complete a task. Players mostly didn't mind because he remained quiet and reasonable. Years later, during covid, Brian announced he wouldn't have internet for awhile (lol), so Sid was "temporarily" elevated to community manager with a red badge. To no ones surprise, he never stepped down and became some sort of authoritarian right hand admin, who never ever mentioned any of this. During this time he elevated fellow apparatchiks to modship who wouldn't question him. NPCs like lelouch, mobster, dire and others who have came and went. It was a total shit show. There was no longer diversity of thought or opinion, it was a one man regime, with dissenters being demoted or banned.

[The boil-over]
After years of wearing the mask, in 2022 Sid went mask off. Banning waffel and laochra, setting of the 2022 "crisis" events, and despite essentially the whole player base and 80% of the mods telling him to step down, he held on for dear life. Anyone in the "cool kids club" was nuked, players deleted, quit, lashed out. Sure, maybe this game was in decline, but that certainly was a shot of morphine into the artery of atwar. Atwar is like a tree of life, a few established players leave and it causes ripples that lead to many others stepping away. Sid resented Laochra and others on a personal level for his failure to fit in the competitive ingroup. He didn't have the skill to compete or the personality to entertain and instead of doing his own thing like a normal person he harbored that resentment for years until he could go scorched earth.

The end-game
A resentful, freakish, inferior freak tried to convince dave to essentially corporatize AtWar. I look at Sids awful plan like Bolshevism. In 1918, communist freaks murdered the Russian Royal Romanov family in their basement. Tsar Nicholas II, his wife, and their 5 children, the youngest child being 13, were brutally murdered. The bolsheviks killed the children too because they knew that if they left even one alive, the people would be able to cling onto an heir of the throne and it threatened their one party communist rule. You may be thinking, wtf Sphinks has gone insane, stay with me here. Like the bolsheviks, Sid wanted to eradicate all atwar history, as he had never taken part in it. He wanted to dismantle players clans, hierarchies, the competitive system as a whole. These were words out of his mouth. He wanted to flatten this whole game, start anew and be the glorious leader of "hundreds of thousands" of braindead bots, who had no notion of what "Mortal Kombat was, or what a 3v3 Europe game was". I am not exaggerating this plan, he wanted to raze this place for a monetized botfarm. This is sheer resentment of someone who has never won a clan war season, never played a game with the season on the line, climbed the duel rank charts. They wanted it ALL GONE. All of you who spent years contributing to this community were nothing but cattle, replaceable, expendable. During the peak of being high on his own supply he even mentioned that "AtWar would be his retirement plan" once it went mainstream. These are verifiable facts. Once that plan seemed unattainable he just disappeared, leaving a path of ruin and bans in his wake.

[The whitepill]
It's not all doom and gloom. I know for a fact this game isn't near the top of priorities in Daves busy life, especially in this volatile economic climate. But there are many talented, genius individuals here who would love to help you fix this place up and perhaps monetize it better. But thats a conversation for another time. This place is one of a kind, and there are ways to increase revenue and player-count with it becoming a soulless slop-fest. And I appreciate you for at least keeping the lights on for now.

[Final Thoughts]
At the end of the day, AtWar is more than just a game, it's a living, breathing community built by the blood, sweat, and rivalries of its players. Dave, you've kept this chaotic, beautiful mess alive, and for that, we owe you. The scars of the past, won't fade easily, but they're a testament to what this place once was and could be again. There's still life in these halls, still talent willing to step up, and still a chance to turn this into something sustainable without losing its soul. Let's not let resentment or apathy write the final chapter.

Sphinx, I never quite know when to take you seriously or not. I'm going to assume you ARE being serious this time (except probably not the part about Sid and the Bolsheviks) and respond accordingly. (I hope you're not trolling me...)

Anyway, I do appreciate your message and I have no grievances with you either.

I came into atWar admittedly not knowing many things, and, believe it or not, I tried to keep an open mind. I listened to many different voices. Some I agreed with, some I didn't. As long as people were respectful or civil about it, I was too, whether I agreed with their actual views or not. (In other words, just because I get along with someone, does not mean I'm going to run and carry out their vision for atWar.)

That said, there were some people who, for whatever reason, chose to get on my bad side. Laochra was one of them who came at me all combative from day one. That was never going to end well. Sid didn't need to persuade me of anything... people like Laochra and others revealed themselves to me all on their own.

I've met Sid in person and I believe he is a pretty normal, rational guy. I really don't understand the hatred against him. But I digress.

Again I do appreciate the message. I'm still here and happy to talk with you any time.

Skrevet av Khauman, 02.04.2025 at 19:06

Atwar has given me rushes I crave for to this day, playing cws for hours and carrying lategame, losing in incredible fashion (thanks tungston and others) or the rush of being someone who I've been trying to beat for months to years. Discussing strategy in this game is fun and incredibly captivating. Trolling low ranks is the equivalent to true happiness, training them is impossible but also a fun thing to try and do.

Helping people get premium, being toxic as hell, im sure most people have had similar experiences when they were low ranks getting dogged on but being able to talk to the vast community. it's been years but I literally remember hundreds maybe a thousand different players even from all the few but valuable years I was able to play. The past is far behind us but I know I',m not just feeling nostalgia, those were great times for not just me but for countless people.

It's easy to blame in hindsight but people move on and this game definitely suffered after people lost the thing that made this game so great : the people who were part of the diverse culture of atwar. Shameful to see this put on blast here and have to relive the sad state of affairs put together by all the players and mods, 99% of people know what the problem is, and I think personally only half or less of the blame can be put on the owner, But rather his advantageous sidekick who swayed him in the wrong direction. Much love to keeping the game running and forums accessible, and thanks to the original devs for designing this work of art.

I appreciate your feedback even if I don't 100% agree with it. I assume you're blaming Sid for atWar's problems, which is unfair. If you want to blame anybody you might as well blame me, even if I disagree with it, because as far as I recall Sid and I were always in agreement with what needed to be done here.

Skrevet av Nero, 02.04.2025 at 18:54

Hi I am Nero

I have to post in this before it gets locked, and I'm surprised it hasn't been already. Like many others, this game was my childhood. Other kids had RuneScape or WoW, I had Afterwind. I have years of fond memories, and even served as a mod for a time.

With that out of the way, it speaks volumes alone that the forum is full of the same complaints over 3 years later. It also just so happens that that's about the only activity the forum really gets, maybe new players are put off by the hour loading time that has been present since day 1.

I remember Dave saying he bought the game because he loved it, he saw a future for it. That's why, instead of modernizing some features, he started an anti-toxicity crusade against some of the most established players. And what good did that do? Over 3 years later, the most activity this game gets is transient guests. And yet, here I am posting in a thread made by Waffel. Why would we come to post this after not playing for years? Because WE LOVE THE GAME TOO!

Maybe the administration and I have different views of community, but there has been no benefit to ANY community on this game. All I see now is a barren safe space for no one. People play games for fun, so when you ban or chase out the players having fun, no one will want to play. That's what happened to me, and I'm sure many others. And now that the toxic players and all their buddies are gone, you get no scenarios, no clan wars, no tournaments, and a dead forum. Just the fact that it took a thread from Waffel to revitalize the forums should tell you what you need to know.

I think it's time to admit that a few trolls aren't the worst thing about this game, and that a certain owner took poor advice. That scary toxic community is here years later wishing this game was playable, while the anti-toxicity crusaders have disappeared and left the game in shambles.

I don't exactly agree with your assessment, but I do appreciate your feedback. If we were to talk perhaps you would see things differently from my perspective -- or perhaps we would never agree 100%. But either way my metaphorical door is open to you, any time. (I think you know my personal Discord but if not Sascha can give it to you.)

Hope you are doing well.

Skrevet av Waffelo, 02.04.2025 at 16:57

Many of the players that got banned, like Mauzer

Mauzer was not banned. He deleted himself for whatever reason, and he comes around now on an alt. He still plays to this day.

Skrevet av Waffelo, 02.04.2025 at 16:57

You claim that you've spend hours talking with me, listening to my concerns, and trying to understand all of it, but that is just a blatant lie.

You know damned well we chatted many, many times right here on atWar. You're cherry picking some irrelevant conversation from Discord and pretending that's the only time we talked, which YOU know is a blatant lie.

I didn't read the rest of your post because you're being disingenuous right off the bat.

Skrevet av El Serbio, 02.04.2025 at 14:16

Dave, do you mind spending few minutes to write your plans for this game and everything? Its means a lot to some of us to hear what is happening with this game and future plans for it? When i say future plans, i mean in this year. Thanks in advance.

If you want to understand my plans you can read my past posts. My plans have not changed. Except that I am very unlikely to make any changes on atWar for 2025. I'm not saying any of this to be flippant. I'm just being honest.

This game was a lifesaver when I got out of both of my serious relationships . Also, as you can see from my badges, it was great meeting Sid in this game — he helped me a lot when I was a newbie.

Thanks to all of you who made this possible. I wish you success and happiness in your personal lives.

Joined in 2011, this game was high school for me. Stopped playing in 2016, came back during the pandemic but by that point the game was largely dead. Still come back to fuck around with the maps while listening to podcasts or something.

And agreed with Nero on the safe space stuff. A war-based strategy game is always going to attract the type of people who are interested in geopolitics, and therefore geopolitical banter. It's what made the community what it was.

Skrevet av Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:36

I remember when huarck reported you for posting thé " persian cowards " vidéo

Skrevet av Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

I remember when huarck reported you for posting thé " persian cowards " vidéo

Skrevet av 77TENGRI99, 06.04.2025 at 12:31

Skrevet av Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

décisions de la décline dans la baguette oui

Stfu nerd

Skrevet av Kaska, 06.04.2025 at 12:29

First of all waffel, you dont know shit about the reasons i resigned. You dont know shit about the way I was as a mod, what m'y opinions are or what I Saw saying in mod forum

I dont want to argue with you, but your perception of m'y rôle in atwar décline IS Silly

Me having a Big mouth might be a problem but i had nothing to do with most of the décisions that provoked this décline. Ask Nero if you dont trust me. I Never permabanned anyone (except one Guy who was IP fishing).

That being said, it was a mistake to ban all these players due to spam and forum posts, perman ban waffel or chill guys liké Lion was wrong, even Lao who i Never liked, Never deserved that treatment, to Say thé least.

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

Dave it's Time to show that you have a bit Heart and let this nerds enjoy a truly Amazing game and sherish their souvenirs.

décisions de la décline dans la baguette oui

Skrevet av IronWill, 05.04.2025 at 16:28

Turks and greeks are secret bff-s

gc

First of all waffel, you dont know shit about the reasons i resigned. You dont know shit about the way I was as a mod, what m'y opinions are or what I was saying in mod forum

I dont want to argue with you, but your perception of m'y rôle in atwar décline IS Silly

Me having a Big mouth might be a problem but i had nothing to do with most of the décisions that provoked this décline. Ask Nero if you dont trust me. I Never permabanned anyone (except one Guy who was IP fishing).

That being said, it was a mistake to ban all these players due to spam and forum posts, perman ban waffel or chill guys liké Lion was wrong, even Lao who i Never liked, Never deserved that treatment, to Say thé least.

It's another mistake to keep the bans now, general pardon IS needed

Dave it's Time to show that you have a big heart and let this nerds enjoy a truly Amazing game and sherish their souvenirs.

Casual Saturday #34 - EU+ 2.0
10k - FFA
https://atwar-game.com/games/?link=8268457311

Turks and greeks are secret bff-s

Greeks and persians always claiming that we dont have history except for the last 1000 years

meanwhile turks:
>in those old days they are so proud of, casually saving grecee's lifelong persian rivals from huns
>greece gets completely erased from map by the turks just like persia

Change the map already, it's been the same meta and expansions since 2012. Give Crimea and Donbas to RS and a little buff, fight Turkey that way. Try something new for once.

WHY ISN'T KOSOVO ON THE FUCKIN MAP

All of this could have been avoided if only dave had made me head moderator after buying the game and had given lilouch under my command as head mini supporter

Some people were harshly banned, people that were influential in the community and very active. Their bans led to others leaving as they couldn't play together anymore. I super rarely interacted with Lao for example but Lao seemed fine and not toxic from them few interactions I did experience.

Skrevet av 77TENGRI99, 04.04.2025 at 15:13

Skrevet av YourSphinx, 04.04.2025 at 00:44

Sphinx.

In 1918, communist freaks murdered the Russian Royal Romanov family in their basement.

the romanov family was murdered by bolshevik JEWS in a satanic ritual (they worked so hard to hide this with fake propaganda and censor. never ask about this on chatgpt it will get removed instantly)

Those who know…

Skrevet av YourSphinx, 04.04.2025 at 00:44

Sphinx.

In 1918, communist freaks murdered the Russian Royal Romanov family in their basement.

the romanov family was murdered by bolshevik JEWS in a satanic ritual (they worked so hard to hide this with fake propaganda and censor. never ask about this on chatgpt it will get removed instantly)