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Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 10.12.2022 at 20:47

I hope you're staying healthy. I got slammed with covid and the flu twice so far.

Oof, sorry to hear that... I had covid last year but this year just 1 little cold, thankfully. Hopefully we all stay healthy going into 2023!

He's always there, I think his homepage on chrome is the beginners lobby.

Update:

Pavle advances.

The word is controversial, even though it is only phonetically related to the offensive racial slur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_niggardly

You are correct... it's etymology is different, and predates the racial slur by several centuries. Still, using it in certain contexts can be considered provocative and racially insensitive.

We'll leave it for now, as it could be considered educational for some. But if a complaint is received, we may need to lock the thread if it is deemed as 'trolling'.

♥

Skrevet av El Serbio, 20.12.2022 at 02:48

Duddeee, you really think someone will read this long text???

i did... instant gratification is not the path to happiness and success.

but this long post just might be ♥

Do I have to watch the first one before this one?

Argentina! I told palm I'd support them after he was so enthusiastic!

Update:

Dates are confirmed:

December 21st and December 22nd both Pavle and Pheno are free.

I will leave it to both of you to arrange a time on the 21st to play your games. I will send a pm with details if this fails.

Good luck all!

Dave hasn't viewed this yet. I know submarines did something wonky a few weeks ago, and Dave fixed that as soon as he saw the bug report. Be patient... he will return.

Skrevet av GAbe the BABe, 08.12.2022 at 19:19

Https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs5nP3ICaiir7EUzog92D-g

i always pronounced it {at WAR}
when someone else says it differently... makes me think i've been saying it wrong all these years.

Nice vids by the way... the shorts had me lol once or twice.

Neither left. It was a coincidence they had same SP, so if they tied, i would expect both would get victory.

Update:
All players have responded within the 14 days. Gave Pavle Pheno's 3 dates. Waiting for a response and if Pavle can't, he's going to give 3 alternative dates, some time AFTER the dates Pheno gave. If this fails, i'll talk about some other less than ideal options *e.g. casual game, 1 min turns, pm rock paper scissors ♥)

Bug Report:

Expected behavior
Example: When a game is tied and determined by SP, I expect both players to share the SP

Actual behavior
Example: When a game is tied and determined by SP, one player takes it all (not sure if winner is chosen randomly. Maybe there are decimal values for SP, or some other factor.) See image below.

Steps to reproduce the behavior
Example:
1. Invest several hours in a 50 turn game.
2. Ensure both players have exact same SP on last turn of game.

Information:
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Attachments:
Please attach any screenshots or videos that help explain your issue.

Skrevet av Sid, 01.12.2022 at 15:18

Can we expect a Christmas event this year? I can handle the verification/PC hand outs if you add it.

Yeah I'll find time to setup something like we did last year....

Skrevet av Dr. Bright, 02.12.2022 at 16:49

I can post in the forums again. Fear me!

i give him 10 days before he gets banned again ♥

Hey! Right now there's a discussion on duel "farmers" again, not much other than that.

Can we expect a Christmas event this year? I can handle the verification/PC hand outs if you add it.

Hello, just want to say that yes, I am still alive. Been a little busy lately, as you may have noticed... and probably you won't see much of me through the end of the year either. But I am still here, and still keeping the lights on.

So how are you guys doing?

Update:
I have been asked to finish up this tourney. Messaged the host and three remaining players details to complete this tourney.

Skrevet av marcusblackwell, 23.11.2022 at 19:46

I'm approaching to 7200 SP. Why should I buy Expendable Infantry over Cheap and Safer Transportation?

The aim is to focus your upgrades on your infantry (the most used unit given your strategy) to be on par with the top players. Having weaker / more expensive inf will put you at a disadvantage.

It may seem attractive to beef up your transports, but you only build a few of those each game, compared to the hundreds of imp you'll build each game. So Expendable Infantry > Cheap/Safe Transportation.

Skrevet av El Serbio, 23.11.2022 at 07:15

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Every year same disussions and same problem.. Farming noobs and camping when reach 1300+.. All of them do the same.. What Staff do? Nothing! They just start new discussion every year and ask pLaYeRs about opinion.. Players are stupid and they dont care about system improvement, they are selfish and care only about themselfs, so dont ask players! Admins should do something what they think will make this whole duel system better.. For example, i dont like your idea at all mecoy, but i would love to see it cause it will make this whole system better, or any other idea which will make system better. Just do something(admins) as you did with cw system.. Cw system is now great, something has to be changed with duel system either or we will have same useless discussions every year.. Duel trophies became worthless and meaningless..


MAKE DUELS GREAT AGAIN!

i don't duel... dave doesn't duel... not sure if Sid duels much. But these discussions are necessary. The exact same discussions preceded the CW system changes... just give it time.

In.

Yes, something that like has been proposed. In my view, this would be a good test of skill. If there is some support from the dueling community, i can start a forum post that would hammer out the details, and then we'd put it to a vote among the most active members of the dueling community.

Skrevet av Lev Davidovic, 16.11.2022 at 13:37

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I invite the community to express their opinions and how they think about it, at least the competitive one, so maybe we can come up with something.

there's a few ideas expressed over the years... one of my favourites is 2 game sets where you pick your opponents strat, and then a bunch of mid level countries are randomized for both players. (e.g. on a 5 or 10k EU map, Poland, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Sweden, Greece, Volga) For the second game, The players then reverse strats and countries, so they have exact same starting conditions.

Skrevet av Yacer, 16.11.2022 at 07:13

Skrevet av brianwl, 16.11.2022 at 01:23

Skrevet av Yacer, 15.11.2022 at 05:36

Include multiple factors to calculate the duel seasonal ELO. 4 factors:

1. Seasonal ELO
2. Total ELO
3. Rank
4. SP collected at that ELO

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Yes as you mentioned, a longer game gives players a better opportunity to prove themselves. So SP can be replaced by the number of turns played to not have the starting funds affecting the elo and the number of duels can be replaced by rank factor as I mentioned.

So the 4 factors can also be:
1. Seasonal ELO
2. Total ELO
3. Number of Duels
4. Turns Played at Duel

This makes more sense... i can see how each of these factors could provide some balance over the course of a season, and also encourage players to play, rather than camp, when they get to first place.

Skrevet av Lev Davidovic, 16.11.2022 at 10:51

Skrevet av brianwl, 16.11.2022 at 01:23

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... in 3k games every single unit is important, if you make one mistake you lose the game, in 50k duels its different, you can recover from many singles mistakes, the skills in 50k game is macromanagement, in 3k - 1k games is micromanagement, is just different (i'm not saying one is better then the other, just the same in different ways). ...

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btw brianwl i'm of course open to vote it to, or set up a poll or survey after it's been discussed, hoping the community can agree that it needs to be addressed.



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Agree... just not sure then what metric can be used to measure this. Ideas?

The only reason i mentioned number of turns is that i would predict two skilled players, each good with micro and macro management would be more likely to have a longer game, regardless of the map they chose. Of course two completely unskilled players could also have a long game, but when a skilled player matches up with an unskilled player the game tends to be shorter, so i figured number of turns might be a way of providing some (not a lot) balance over the course of the season.

Also, you got me thinking... low starting funds games are less forgiving. So maybe low starting funds games could be weighted bit more. The only issue i have with this though is first turn expansions in low income games can sometimes depend a lot on luck. If you fail taking a city (for instance Lux attempts taking Belgium and Netherlands in a 1 k game, and gets bad rolls on both battles) you are almost guaranteed to lose. But if you are successful taking both, you have a strong advantage. Thoughts?

Skrevet av El Serbio, 16.11.2022 at 08:40

Skrevet av brianwl, 13.08.2021 at 12:23

For this discussion, again i'd like to keep it very specific. One issue i can see already is the notion of turning the rankings into a tournament. Tournaments are already a 'thing' and if someone wants to host a tourney, full support. I'll even host if that's what players want.

Hosting tournament is easy, but working on it is hard.. Host started tourney and just dissapear without any word... No one else took his place and what we got? We got this https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=48840
Tournament which last for 6 months already.. What was these deadlines then if this happend?? Host left and pavle and pheno is not playing their match.. I know, you didnt host this tourney etc.. But its hosted by supporter(part of aw team), admin/mods/supporter should take apoc place and finish it already.. Thank you.

The reason i offered to host is i can put hard limits on when games need to be finished and warn players ahead of time not to join if they have no time to play. I have a track record for ending tournaments on schedule, but no one has asked me to host.

Skrevet av Lev Davidovic, 15.11.2022 at 10:52

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The main problem we have nowadays, which i mentioned, and the reason for why the "recent interest" made bump this thread again, is the farming point. ...
The question that arises is whether it is right and correct for a player to choose his single map, his time, his strategy, his rules, his gameplay, always in exactly the same way .... ,,,

Maybe we can have a survey or something, to see what anybody (at least in competitive) thinks about it. If players and community agrees massively on changes to make duels more fair and avoid farming or shorcut or uncorrect behaviour, maybe the times can be ripe to see those changes.

Peace

So resolving the issue of a player mastering a narrow play style for a specific map using a specific strategy is a challenge.

There are a number of solutions to this... and you've mentioned a few. There is a moral element to this problem that won't be overcome... and the players who do this tend to be oblivious as to why it's a problem. Generally, people who have a 'win at all costs' attitude are the players most likely to do this (use exactly same game play using same map, strat, etc. ). Don't get me wrong... these players spend a lot of time practicing and perfecting their game style, and invest a lot into it. This is why in the past, efforts to address this don't get too far.

I'm perfectly open to a vote on it, and can set up a poll or survey after it's been discussed a bit more, to see if the community can agree that it needs to be addressed.

Skrevet av Yacer, 15.11.2022 at 05:36

Include multiple factors to calculate the duel seasonal ELO. 4 factors:

1. Seasonal ELO
2. Total ELO
3. Rank
4. SP collected at that ELO

In this case, Yacer proposed 4 factors, and then suggested weighting them as follows:

Duel Seasonal ELO 60%
Total ELO 20%
Rank 10%
SP Collected 10%

Rank and SP are fairly low percentages, so from my perspective, Yacer sees that these shouldn't be weighted much. I do agree with Lev though.. Rank doesn't seem like a factor that would balance things overall.

I read Yacer's example, but it's based on the notion that a higher rank is more skilled than a lower rank. This simply isn't my experience. Rank does not equate with skill. There 'might' be a slight advantage if an unskilled low rank lacks upgrades to compete, but i can't imagine there are more than a handful of these players dueling. In the big picture, i think factoring rank into the calculation would simply give an unwarranted advantage based on rank. You'd balance the specific example given (yes in a world of clones, higher ranks would be expected to be more difficult, so then it would make more sense) but i think it would create a greater imbalance overall, by giving an advantage based solely on rank.

If i'm missing something Yacer, you're going to have to give me more detail or another example as to why it's a necessary factor.

The SP collected example shows a more interesting dynamic. Clearly more skill is involved in longer games in which both players have an opportunity to apply some actual strategy. One of the things i definitely dislike since the competitive community steamrolled over the +1 inf city bonus is that rushing a cap leads to a play style that doesn't involve a ton of skill, and makes for exceptionally quick games that involve no thought or complex strategy.

However i think Lev pointed out the problem with using SP. It would lead to players only using high income maps, with high starting funds, further reducing the diversity of strategy and play styles.

But i can see the point... perhaps factoring in things like {total cities captured} x {number of turns} would solve the problem. (So a longer, balanced game, in which players captured, lost and recaptured cities would be weighted more than a simple cap rush that ends after 4 turns.) This wouldn't give low income maps a disadvantage.

Given recent interest in revamping duels, i'm bumping this thread ♥