Do you believe in Destiny ?

I believe in allah only

Skrevet av BLACKMETAL3199, 06.11.2020 at 08:54

I believe in allah only

very nice
i thought you are atheist
who drinks rakii

We create our own destiny

There's no fate

Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 06.11.2020 at 10:27

There's no fate

hehe he doesn't know...

Of course destiny exists. In fact, it is most probable that "reality," or what we have come to observe, is a simulation because what lies beyond the horizon of space, or beyond the distance of the age of reality (approximately 14 billion light years), could or could not invalidate our observations. According to scientific observation, reality (spacetime) travels faster than the speed of light, which means that eventually bounded matter (e.g., galaxies) will be separated to such an extent that we cannot even see our most nearest galaxy (after Andromeda collides with our own because of the even greater gravitational force that exists between our galaxies). If this holds true and if it is true that matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light, then of course we could very easily live in a simulation in which everything is pre-determined. In fact, it is probable that if the source of energy that drives the acceleration of spacetime increases in magnitude, it could eventually overtake the force that binds pockets of matter such as our own planet. This could result in the fabric of matter ripping to an unfathomable extent. It is possible that this source of energy is the principle of a simulation that would actually put an expiration date on what we've observed as the "universe."

Of course, everything is pre-determined technically speaking, even if we base this on our present observations and assume that what we cannot observe will only validate observable reality. There is an extract string of events that have defined the interaction of spacetime since whenever existence presumably began. This process will most likely continue, as humans are (according to our observations, but not necessarily something unobservable) a function of a process through which organic matter collided in the course of 3 billion years. This must be true, of course, because all matter is equally reducible, which must mean that our material composition is reducible and replaceable just like all other elements of matter. In other words, each individual atom that comprises the brain and the consciousness that emanates from it could be copied at another point in space, and would produce the exact same thought patterns that would continue as an infinite string of events. For this reason, everything is pre-determined according to what we've observed, even our thoughts, however complex and unlikely it may seem.

I believe in lil ouch

I believe in destiny AND in free will

There might be some kind of predetermination that we could predict if we could know the exact positioning of every single particle of the universe but since we can't do that and the cause-effect has it's limits I belive in destiny and free will.

Skrevet av Agel, 07.11.2020 at 18:56

There might be some kind of predetermination that we could predict if we could know the exact positioning of every single particle of the universe but since we can't do that and the cause-effect has it's limits I belive in destiny and free will.

There is no reason to believe that cause-effect has limits at all. In fact, according to conformal cyclic cosmology, it absolutely does not. But I understand that cause-effect is to an extent "unobservable" due to the limitations of data collection and synthesization, but that clearly does not rule out the possibility that cause-effect behaves as we've observed it to behave according to all available science

If we knew the exact positioning of every particle in the universe, it would be possible to understand predetermination to the effect that free will simply must not exist. I had to think about this for a couple minutes because the thought it so counter-intuitive. But truly, if you understand the relationships between every particle in a human, it would be possible to know every action he will take for the rest of his life. It's like plotting the trajectory of an asteroid relative to other asteroids. There is no such thing as probability, probability only exists specifically because we cannot possibly know the positioning of every participle in the universe, so probability is a tool of human understanding.

If the particles of one neuron interacted with the particles of another neuron such that they produce a chemical signal that lends itself to another cluster of neurons whose function deals with critical thinking, it would be possible to know someone's exact future. It is so difficult to understand because the scale we're discussing is humanly unfathomable in terms of particles, but I don't see how this cannot be the case

Skrevet av Tribune Aquila, 07.11.2020 at 22:38

Skrevet av Agel, 07.11.2020 at 18:56

There might be some kind of predetermination that we could predict if we could know the exact positioning of every single particle of the universe but since we can't do that and the cause-effect has it's limits I belive in destiny and free will.

There is no reason to believe that cause-effect has limits at all. In fact, according to conformal cyclic cosmology, it absolutely does not. But I understand that cause-effect is to an extent "unobservable" due to the limitations of data collection and synthesization, but that clearly does not rule out the possibility that cause-effect behaves as we've observed it to behave according to all available science

If we knew the exact positioning of every particle in the universe, it would be possible to understand predetermination to the effect that free will simply must not exist. I had to think about this for a couple minutes because the thought it so counter-intuitive. But truly, if you understand the relationships between every particle in a human, it would be possible to know every action he will take for the rest of his life. It's like plotting the trajectory of an asteroid relative to other asteroids. There is no such thing as probability, probability only exists specifically because we cannot possibly know the positioning of every participle in the universe, so probability is a tool of human understanding.

If the particles of one neuron interacted with the particles of another neuron such that they produce a chemical signal that lends itself to another cluster of neurons whose function deals with critical thinking, it would be possible to know someone's exact future. It is so difficult to understand because the scale we're discussing is humanly unfathomable in terms of particles, but I don't see how this cannot be the case

The answer to this that not everything that exists needs to be material in order to exist.

Skrevet av Lord Aragorn, 07.11.2020 at 23:17

The answer to this that not everything that exists needs to be material in order to exist.

that isn't an answer dummy.

Skrevet av Tribune Aquila, 07.11.2020 at 22:38

There is no reason to believe that cause-effect has limits at all. In fact, according to conformal cyclic cosmology, it absolutely does not. But I understand that cause-effect is to an extent "unobservable" due to the limitations of data collection and synthesization, but that clearly does not rule out the possibility that cause-effect behaves as we've observed it to behave according to all available science

If we knew the exact positioning of every particle in the universe, it would be possible to understand predetermination to the effect that free will simply must not exist. I had to think about this for a couple minutes because the thought it so counter-intuitive. But truly, if you understand the relationships between every particle in a human, it would be possible to know every action he will take for the rest of his life. It's like plotting the trajectory of an asteroid relative to other asteroids. There is no such thing as probability, probability only exists specifically because we cannot possibly know the positioning of every participle in the universe, so probability is a tool of human understanding.

If the particles of one neuron interacted with the particles of another neuron such that they produce a chemical signal that lends itself to another cluster of neurons whose function deals with critical thinking, it would be possible to know someone's exact future. It is so difficult to understand because the scale we're discussing is humanly unfathomable in terms of particles, but I don't see how this cannot be the case

When I said cause effect has it's limits I was it's limits I wasn't saying that it isn't aplicable to everything we can observe right now instead I was thinking on one precise instance where it breaks so we can't apply to everything everywehre at any time: Tell me the cause of the big bang.

And I don't say it doesn't exists a predetermined way things will happen, I say since we can't know because Heisenberg's uncertainty principle i choose to belive in destiny and free will.

Skrevet av winkcat, 08.11.2020 at 06:31

Skrevet av Lord Aragorn, 07.11.2020 at 23:17

The answer to this that not everything that exists needs to be material in order to exist.

that isn't an answer dummy.

It's not an answer but further criteria needed to be met.