Venice seeks independence from Italy

Over 89 percent of residents in Italy's Veneto region have voted in an unofficial referendum in favor of independence from the rest of the country as Venetians seek to restore the glory of the old days by creating a state of their own.

History repeats itself, hmm? We return again to the city-state, polis and so on.

Well, i think thats great, you will never have to care about capitals anymore, every city is going to be an capital

This is a reaction to globalism and Multiculturalism. People do not seek greater intergration or immigration. They seek community and tradition. Italy is crumbling due to Social Democracy and Venice being one the richer areas no longer wants to be part of a failing system that is bleeding it dry.

We are going to see more of this reaction. Social Democracy is a failure. The future is seperation and Nationalism.

Skrevet av Tik-Tok, 24.03.2014 at 16:04

This is a reaction to globalism and Multiculturalism. People do not seek greater intergration or immigration. They seek community and tradition. Italy is crumbling due to Social Democracy and Venice being one the richer areas no longer wants to be part of a failing system that is bleeding it dry.

We are going to see more of this reaction. Social Democracy is a failure. The future is seperation and Nationalism.

Although I see myself as a somewhat-nationalist, I do believe the situation in Venice is an overreaction to a growing problem of laziness and conformity world-wide. "It's all ___'s fault" is a recurring statement I hear from every culture, race, sexual identity, creed, etc. Why can no one recognize and solve problems themselves anymore? It's as if people try everything they can to feel a little good about themselves when they know they're wrong, instead of feeling bad for a little while whilst they fix themselves, to feel even greater pleasure in having solved their problem.

Skrevet av Goblin, 24.03.2014 at 12:10

Venetians mad cuz there is no Venice in AW!

That makes me mad >=(

Skrevet av Tik-Tok, 24.03.2014 at 16:04

This is a reaction to globalism and Multiculturalism. People do not seek greater intergration or immigration. They seek community and tradition. Italy is crumbling due to Social Democracy and Venice being one the richer areas no longer wants to be part of a failing system that is bleeding it dry.

We are going to see more of this reaction. Social Democracy is a failure. The future is seperation and Nationalism.

Italy isn't crumbling, and if it were crumbling, the breakup of Italy wouldn't make things better, economically.
It would go from being the world's 9th wealthiest country (GDP) to being a bunch of cities on the Italian Peninsula, fighting with each other over things they currently take for granted. It gives up heavy industry and its role as a leading middle power. Even if it were to break into several smaller units, what would stand in the way of each of these being conquered and incorporated into another nation anyway (repeating the middle 19th century and Italian unification).

Anyway, if Venice were to secede, do we think Venice would stop being a democracy, or a mixed economy? In the blink of an eye, it will be One With The Water anyway.

Skrevet av Tik-Tok, 24.03.2014 at 16:04

This is a reaction to globalism and Multiculturalism. People do not seek greater intergration or immigration. They seek community and tradition. Italy is crumbling due to Social Democracy and Venice being one the richer areas no longer wants to be part of a failing system that is bleeding it dry.

We are going to see more of this reaction. Social Democracy is a failure. The future is seperation and Nationalism.

democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried

- Winston Churchill

Skrevet av zombieyeti, 24.03.2014 at 19:48

Anyway, if Venice were to secede, do we think Venice would stop being a democracy, or a mixed economy? In the blink of an eye, it will be One With The Water anyway.

I never claimed any of this was a major benefit. I dont like the idea of Italy splitting apart but this is the reaction to Social Democracy and its failures. What Socially Conservative and Authoritarian Empires and Nations once forged is now being destroyed by Social Democracy.

The European map is going to see a radical change as a reaction for 70 years of self destrutive and unwanted policy.

Skrevet av Tik-Tok, 25.03.2014 at 07:56

Skrevet av zombieyeti, 24.03.2014 at 19:48

Anyway, if Venice were to secede, do we think Venice would stop being a democracy, or a mixed economy? In the blink of an eye, it will be One With The Water anyway.

I never claimed any of this was a major benefit. I dont like the idea of Italy splitting apart but this is the reaction to Social Democracy and its failures. What Socially Conservative and Authoritarian Empires and Nations once forged is now being destroyed by Social Democracy.

The European map is going to see a radical change as a reaction for 70 years of self destrutive and unwanted policy.

I suppose I can concede your point. Just because leaving Italy wouldn't make things 'better' it doesn't necessarily speak to the emotions of the people who live in Venice.
Italy, if nothing else, is absolutely fearless when it comes to changing governments.

Skrevet av Tik-Tok, 24.03.2014 at 16:04

This is a reaction to globalism and Multiculturalism. People do not seek greater intergration or immigration. They seek community and tradition. Italy is crumbling due to Social Democracy and Venice being one the richer areas no longer wants to be part of a failing system that is bleeding it dry.

We are going to see more of this reaction. Social Democracy is a failure. The future is seperation and Nationalism.

Italy's economic crisis has only exacerbated Venetians' resentment against the central government in Rome.
"The economic situation here is really desperate, with the recession hitting small and medium-sized businesses. Meanwhile of the 70 billion euros we pay in taxes to Rome, we get back about 50 billion euros, directly and indirectly. We are losing out on 20 billion euros a year," said Prof Pizzati.

seems legit

Skrevet av Skanderbeg, 27.03.2014 at 06:42

Now Venice, Scotland, Catalonia are thinking if Kosovo could secede from european country, why we cant?

I don't know about Venice, but independence movements in Scotland and Catalonia go back way before Kosovo.

That said, I also disagree with Tik-Tok. I don't think nationalist movements are a reaction the "failures of social democracy". He seems to equate nationalism with conservatism and authoritarianism. In reality, many nationalist movements are coalitions of multiple political ideologies, and even often primarily composed of centrist and left-wing elements. Also, while nationalist/independence movements are looking for self-determination and greater preservation of their culture and traditions, that doesn't mean they necessarily seek isolation or ethnic homogeneity. That a right wing fringe exists in some of these movements is undeniable, but it would be inaccurate to portray Scottish and Catalonian nationalists as being social conservatives and/or authoritarian.