"Plz match ranks".

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Today we were going to play ENIGMA. It was rank 13 13 11 from our side, and rank 10 10 from their side. After waiting for a while they blame us for being slow and say that their member went off, and that nobody else in his clan wanted to cw.

I asked for a 2vs2 CW and I get this answer: "Sure, but match our ranks".

How could this be possible, I though everybody above rank 9 had all the essential upgrades. But there are still clans who regulates higher ranks? If it was rank 6. 7. 8. and even newest rank 9, I would say "sure, we will match". But 13 vs 10? What is this?

I cancelled the CW right there, not because we couldn't match (we had 13 13 11 9 9 8 7 online at that time), but because I consider it a stupid reason to delay a CW.

Someone please explain me how playing without Hybrid Warfare or Lift The Frog puts a rank 10 at disadvantage against a rank 13.

Skrevet av clovis1122, 28.10.2015 at 16:25

or Lift The Frog

inb4 frog lifting becomes an olympic dicipline

Another cry thread but you're right

Skrevet av blargh, 28.10.2015 at 17:02

Another cry thread

Yes, I know it is.

I could of talk with ENIGMA directly but they are not the only clans who does this type of stuff. Let's see what the other clans says...

Experience...

Skrevet av Milkyy, 28.10.2015 at 20:47

Experience...

Thread locked.

Edit: this is what I would say if I was a mod, which I'm not...
so the thread isn't actually locked

Skrevet av Milkyy, 28.10.2015 at 20:47

Experience...

so you compare a worldgame (where you gained 10k sp) with one hundred 3vs3 (gained 100)?

Dude didn't you know? Rank 13s have special powers, like being able to get rare units easier.

Skrevet av Guest, 29.10.2015 at 04:02

Dude didn't you know? Rank 13s have special powers, like being able to get rare units easier.

Clovis,

your threads started to have no sense, but really.
I start believing you are forcing them just to post something without thinking about what are you posting.

Now you explain me how the hell rank 10 can be on same level as rank 13?

You really think that having all essential upgrades is a condition that is making r10 and r13 equivalent?
If so, you are dumb as fuck.

I will make you a simply comparison so you understand the point.
Compare it with 25 years old man who finished law college and 45 years old man who finished same college.
They both have essential certificate to be called lawyers, but is that making them equal to each other or even putting them on similiar level?

Answer is: NO
25 year old lawyer just finished college, have no experience in a law world and its impossible to expect from him to be introduced in all areas of law as it is case with 45 years old lawyer.
On the other side, 45 years old lawyer spent 20 years in courts, passed many doubty situations, is experienced and introduced in plenty of cases that 25 year old lawyer didnt face yet. He had much more time to implement ethics of law job and to expland his knowledge.

Identical thing is with rank 10 (compare him with 25 years old lawyer) and with rank 13 (a 45 years old lawyer).
Rank 13 is experienced as fuck, SP difference between them is huge and no doubt his knowledge about AWs gameplay is gianlty stroger than knowledge of rank 10.
Essential upgrades means nothing in this case, same as lawyer certificate meams nothing between experienced lawyer and newbie lawyer.

Also, I am against this polling of ENIGMA publically like this just because they wanted to match ranks. Its their wish and you are not allowed to start blaming them for this. Especially not on public forums.

This is just my opinion, dont get it too personal

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 06:49

Clovis,

your threads started to have no sense, but really.
I start believing you are forcing them just to post something without thinking about what are you posting.

Now you explain me how the hell rank 10 can be on same level as rank 13?

You really think that having all essential upgrades is a condition that is making r10 and r13 equivalent?
If so, you are dumb as fuck.

I will make you a simply comparison so you understand the point.
Compare it with 25 years old man who finished law college and 45 years old man who finished same college.
They both have essential certificate to be called lawyers, but is that making them equal to each other or even putting them on similiar level?

Answer is: NO
25 year old lawyer just finished college, have no experience in a law world and its impossible to expect from him to be introduced in all areas of law as it is case with 45 years old lawyer.
On the other side, 45 years old lawyer spent 20 years in courts, passed many doubty situations, is experienced and introduced in plenty of cases that 25 year old lawyer didnt face yet. He had much more time to implement ethics of law job and to expland his knowledge.

Identical thing is with rank 10 (compare him with 25 years old lawyer) and with rank 13 (a 45 years old lawyer).
Rank 13 is experienced as fuck, SP difference between them is huge and no doubt his knowledge about AWs gameplay is gianlty stroger than knowledge of rank 10.
Essential upgrades means nothing in this case, same as lawyer certificate meams nothing between experienced lawyer and newbie lawyer.

Also, I am against this polling of ENIGMA publically like this just because they wanted to match ranks. Its their wish and you are not allowed to start blaming them for this. Especially not on public forums.

This is just my opinion, dont get it too personal

Someone wants to join enigma D

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 06:49

Clovis,

your threads started to have no sense, but really.
I start believing you are forcing them just to post something without thinking about what are you posting.

Now you explain me how the hell rank 10 can be on same level as rank 13?

You really think that having all essential upgrades is a condition that is making r10 and r13 equivalent?
If so, you are dumb as fuck.

I will make you a simply comparison so you understand the point.
Compare it with 25 years old man who finished law college and 45 years old man who finished same college.
They both have essential certificate to be called lawyers, but is that making them equal to each other or even putting them on similiar level?

Answer is: NO
25 year old lawyer just finished college, have no experience in a law world and its impossible to expect from him to be introduced in all areas of law as it is case with 45 years old lawyer.
On the other side, 45 years old lawyer spent 20 years in courts, passed many doubty situations, is experienced and introduced in plenty of cases that 25 year old lawyer didnt face yet. He had much more time to implement ethics of law job and to expland his knowledge.

Identical thing is with rank 10 (compare him with 25 years old lawyer) and with rank 13 (a 45 years old lawyer).
Rank 13 is experienced as fuck, SP difference between them is huge and no doubt his knowledge about AWs gameplay is gianlty stroger than knowledge of rank 10.
Essential upgrades means nothing in this case, same as lawyer certificate meams nothing between experienced lawyer and newbie lawyer.

Also, I am against this polling of ENIGMA publically like this just because they wanted to match ranks. Its their wish and you are not allowed to start blaming them for this. Especially not on public forums.

This is just my opinion, dont get it too personal

your opinion true <3

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 06:49

Compare it with 25 years old man who finished law college and 45 years old man who finished same college.
They both have essential certificate to be called lawyers, but is that making them equal to each other or even putting them on similiar level?

Answer is:

clovis: Hold on there! Croat. It's time to duel.
Croat: wt...
clovis: I activate my trap card: RP FARM.
Croat: Cheater! When did you set it?
clovis: This card can be activated from hand if the opponent uses "rank matters" argument. It makes the 45-year-old brain to be as equal as the 25-year-old guy because the 45 years man is just a farmer who tried to skip the ages from 1 to 20, making his real age to be 25! Answer is YES, You lose.
Croat: <Insert epic rage here>.

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 06:49

Also, I am against this polling of ENIGMA publically like this just because they wanted to match ranks. Its their wish and you are not allowed to start blaming them for this. Especially not on public forums.

This isn't a 'blash'... I am just marking out this behavior. ENIGMA is a clan with good players. Also:

Skrevet av clovis1122, 28.10.2015 at 20:11

Yes, I know it is.

I could of talk with ENIGMA directly but they are not the only clans who does this type of stuff. Let's see what the other clans says...

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The argument is experience is actually a good reason and also was ENIGMA's reply when we asked them for it. But assuming rank is even any closer indicator to experience is wrong (IMO) as you can't put players like Tact or Desu (or might as well half of SM) here. They do perform better than most of the ranks 11, 12, and maybe match 13.

Just want to see if other clans agrees...

Skrevet av clovis1122, 29.10.2015 at 07:01

I wont go in further discussion about this because you are just not right and stop quoting me with YU GI OH bullshit

Good thread clovis, this is a big problem. part of the reason illy disbanded was because of the players who wouldnt cw us because of ranks. Most players peak around from r9-r11, after that stage higher ranks are irrelevant.

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 06:49

Now you explain me how the hell rank 10 can be on same level as rank 13?

You really think that having all essential upgrades is a condition that is making r10 and r13 equivalent?
If so, you are dumb as fuck.

.....

you're right, desu, invisible, myself shouldnt cw teams with mauz/critical/clovis/devil/brainwl unless they use a r6. Gotta be fair right?

Skrevet av Permamuted, 29.10.2015 at 07:15

you're right, desu, invisible, myself shouldnt cw teams with mauz/critical/clovis/devil/brainwl unless they use a r6. Gotta be fair right?

Quote me where I said that?
Oh, you cant because I said that nowhere.

You obviously didnt understand a point of my comment and that is:
No one should be blamed publically because of this reason. I never refused a CW because of ranks, whole MK can confirm and I even left SA because we werent playing CWs against everyone, but choosen ones. But still I am standing behind my comment and players have right to refuse a CW if ranks are not matching, thats all.

Secondly, I am not talking about talent/skills/etc shit, I am talking about experience. Desu, You or anyone mentioned above can beat clovis, but you are not on same experience and knowledge level as he is, so dont put in my mouth things i didnt say.

When i said experience, i meant that in a general way. Generally speaking, a higher rank should have more experience than a lower rank. However seems like people are going into details. You could also say the r10's farmed their way to r10 and turn the tables around, justifying their refusal to cw.. You guys are the ones who say ranks don't matter, skill matters. Well then, you contradict yourself since you're only thinking about the case where a player is underranked. But when tables turn around, and the player is a bit overranked and thinks they didn't reach a good enough level of skill to face a specified r13, you blame them of whatever this thread represents. Let's ignore all this. It all depends on the players. If the r10's feel like they didn't reach their peak yet, or they think their peak is not good enough to face the r13s of the other clan, it makes sense that they refuse, assuming they want to win the cw
You cant just generalize all r10-13 as being on the same level of skill. It's true that a lot of r10's can match r13's but not everyone(trollface's comment supports this point), so when a clan refuses to cw because of ranks, you shouldn't get butt hurt. I dont know who the players from enigma were, but in the case they CAN match r13's, and still refused to cw.. maybe yes, it's annoying and a bit bad sportsmanship since they're trying to get better chances of winning by playing with same ranks while they can actually match r13's. But there is still nothing wrong with this, why shouldnt they be able to use the higher skill level they reached in a earlier rank to be able to win cw's?

anyway, again it just depends on the players, i dont think there's any reason to get annoyed in cases like this and turn away from a cw, but ofc that's also your decision

Skrevet av Milkyy, 29.10.2015 at 07:56

Thats exactly what I wanted to say

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 07:28

Desu, You or anyone mentioned above can beat clovis, but you are not on same experience and knowledge level as he is

gg!

Skrevet av Permamuted, 29.10.2015 at 08:26

gg!

Thats my opinion, you can raise yourself wherever you want

Omg croat stop being such a forum whore .... damn dude

Skrevet av AlBoZzZ, 29.10.2015 at 08:51

Omg croat stop being such a forum whore .... damn dude

Didnt you realize you comment Croat on every single thread, EVERY SINGLE THREAD you have your nose in my Croatian shitty asshole.......... Fuck off from me you Albanian cockroach

Funny thing is when I talked to phoenix about ranks... your ranks! he said 13 13 7 and told us we'd better not bring 3 high ranks

Ranks matter in the sense that they can give you some gauge of player skill, but obviously this system is flawed. But the solution is not to just play whoever vs whoever without checking anything about player skill. It is true what bert said that experience matters. Whenever someone tells me ranks I personally always go to their clan profile, figure out who would be playing according to those ranks and try and find suitable players. There is no way to eliminate rank difference between 13 and 10, but common sense should get you a long way.

>Desu not having same game experience or knowledge as Clovis...
>lol?

No offense to Clovis, because he is indeed one of the most knowledgeable and experienced players in AW (who actually plays other maps) but I will just use this as an example.

Desu has played the game since 2011, and Clovis 2012 which is a year of difference, yet Clovis is 3 ranks higher than Desu. This is obviously because he's played more games. One could argue game-play knowledge comes from the amount of games you play which is true but not entirely. Knowledge/experience come from seeing and experiencing triumphs and downfalls in the game. Desu simply just doesn't play a lot, but has seen and experienced most of what this game and its players have to offer. While Clovis does the same, but add possibly double the games and a year less of seeing stuff. In that extra year Desu experienced more style changes, gameplay changes, and all alterations of such, while Clovis has more hands-on knowledge of modern day style. Basically what I mean is games played isn't necessarily the place to judge experience, and some people (not Clovis) just don't learn or are not as smart.

Does that little bit of experience make a difference though? Yeah sure, but that doesn't really mean the less-experienced player is worse. In the end of the day; a rank 10 could have more knowledge than a rank 13, or vice versa. A rank 10 can have more knowledge than a fellow rank 10, or any rank for that matter. A rank 6 could have more experience than a rank 9... The difference between the former expressions and the latter is that there is an upgrade disadvantage, which isn't fair for the rank 6, while having an experiential advantage is fair because it's not based on games played/rank.

Saying it's unfair to play against a rank 13 as a rank 10 because of experience and game knowledge is like saying it's unfair to play against a rank 13 as 10 because of skill. Having said that, Enigma's choice is more understandable than a normal 3v3 situation because: It's a 2v2. 2v2s aren't reliable, and if they don't have their best playing and someone screws up then they can't compensate for someone's errors (3v3 is more consistent, which is why any matching ranks should CW in 3v3).

Still, rank 10 and up is the same okay (used to be 9 but because of non-prem/players without a certain package (me!) players it's slower to get upgrades and you really don't have a lot of important one's at the early stages of r9, and with rank inflation more and more players are getting that advantage. Although, I'd be happy to play a rank 10 and over anytime! c:

My cock is bigger:

Skrevet av Guest, 29.10.2015 at 04:02

Dude didn't you know? Rank 13s have special powers, like being able to get rare units easier.

No rare turn on

Ranks 10 are on the same playing field as ranks 11,12,13,14,15,16,17. Refusing to clan war due to rank differences is such a pathetic excuse.
The only reason the concept of rankism exists is because people didn't wanted to play vs a player who had more upgrades and therefore a unfair advantage.

Skrevet av Htin, 29.10.2015 at 10:56

Skrevet av Guest, 29.10.2015 at 04:02

Dude didn't you know? Rank 13s have special powers, like being able to get rare units easier.

No rare turn on

I forgot to mention Rank 13s can also bypass this setting.

Skrevet av Croat, 29.10.2015 at 06:49

Clovis,

your threads started to have no sense, but really.
I start believing you are forcing them just to post something without thinking about what are you posting.

Now you explain me how the hell rank 10 can be on same level as rank 13?

You really think that having all essential upgrades is a condition that is making r10 and r13 equivalent?
If so, you are dumb as fuck.

I will make you a simply comparison so you understand the point.
Compare it with 25 years old man who finished law college and 45 years old man who finished same college.
They both have essential certificate to be called lawyers, but is that making them equal to each other or even putting them on similiar level?

Answer is: NO
25 year old lawyer just finished college, have no experience in a law world and its impossible to expect from him to be introduced in all areas of law as it is case with 45 years old lawyer.
On the other side, 45 years old lawyer spent 20 years in courts, passed many doubty situations, is experienced and introduced in plenty of cases that 25 year old lawyer didnt face yet. He had much more time to implement ethics of law job and to expland his knowledge.

Identical thing is with rank 10 (compare him with 25 years old lawyer) and with rank 13 (a 45 years old lawyer).
Rank 13 is experienced as fuck, SP difference between them is huge and no doubt his knowledge about AWs gameplay is gianlty stroger than knowledge of rank 10.
Essential upgrades means nothing in this case, same as lawyer certificate meams nothing between experienced lawyer and newbie lawyer.

Also, I am against this polling of ENIGMA publically like this just because they wanted to match ranks. Its their wish and you are not allowed to start blaming them for this. Especially not on public forums.

This is just my opinion, dont get it too personal

i have beaten various rank10+-s still remember fucking clovis when i was still r6 (cuz he sux)

now about your lawyer things you are right, older lawyer as you stated finished college at the age of 25 that means he has 20 year experience of working as lawyer while 25 yrs old is still greenhorn.

but age doesn't matter experience does let me state another example some of mine. 2 lawyers first is 35 years old 2nd is 45 yrs old but they both have 10 yrs experience of working as lawyers that makes one finish college at the age of 25 and the other one at the age of 35 they are both on same level.

your example was innacurate for aw, to "awfy" it it will sound like 2 players know how to play aw they both finished training but first one just finished training and is r1 while other one has 2 months of experience playing aw and is r6.

and about high ranks you have narb opi who registered at the same time as you did but is r12 or 13? and there you are r10 guy does opi have more experience ? hell no he is rp farmer, another example desu and clovis as tactician stated ranks 10+ don't matter...

So many narbs on this game. Leave it to myself, Dinoscout, Tactition and Xeno to smack the rest of the higher ranks. If a r10 is afraid of a r13, then the r10 shouldn't be cwing because obviously they are complete scrubs.

r13 has nothing to do with experience, it just means you have more sp because you're played more world games than everyone else.

Bottom line is, stop being a bitch. and CW.