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16.07.2018 - 14:59
On #ThisDayinHistory 1918, Czar Nicholas II and his family are executed by Bolsheviks, bringing an end to the 300 year-old Romanov dynasty.
The disastrous outcome of the Russo-Japanese War led to the Russian Revolution of 1905, which ended only after Nicholas approved a representative assembly and promised constitutional reforms. The czar soon retracted these concessions and repeatedly dissolved assembly when it opposed him,.

In 1914, Nicholas led his country into #WWI, another costly war Russia was ill-prepared to win. Discontent grew as food became scarce, soldiers became war weary and defeats at the hands of Germany demonstrated the Russia's ineffectiveness under Nicholas. In March 1917, revolution broke out on the streets of what's now St. Petersburg and Nicholas was forced to abdicate his throne later that month.
That November, the radical socialist Bolsheviks, led by Vladimir Lenin, seized power in Russia from the provisional government and set about establishing the world's first #communist state. Civil war broke out in Russia in June 1918, and in July the anti-Bolshevik forces advanced on Yekaterinburg, where Nicholas and his family were located. Local authorities were ordered to prevent a rescue of the family, and after a secret meeting of the Yekaterinburg Soviet, a death sentence was passed on the imperial family. Late in the night of July 16, Nicholas, Alexandra, their five children and four servants were ordered to dress quickly and go down to the cellar of the house in which they were being held. There, they were arranged in two rows and were told they were posing for a photograph. Suddenly, a dozen armed men burst into the room and gunned down the imperial family in a hail of gunfire.

Those who were still breathing when the smoke cleared were stabbed to death. The remains of Nicholas, Alexandra and three of their children were secretly discovered in 1976 and excavated in 1991. The Crown Prince Alexei and one #Romanov daughter were not accounted for, fueling the persistent legend that Anastasia, the youngest Romanov daughter, had survived the execution of her family.

Their graves were finally found in 2007


I'm reposting from History Channel's Ig page since I couldn't say it differently.


A reminder of one of the first crimes committed by Comunism and how utopian hysteria derailing into revolutionarian radicalisms shrank a country's critical thinking and possibility of multilateral progress



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16.07.2018 - 15:34
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Skrevet av Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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16.07.2018 - 15:34
Your knowledge is wasted here. Not too many people who can discuss this with you here tbh.
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16.07.2018 - 21:16
Fun fact i am actually related to rasputin from my mothers side
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16.07.2018 - 23:58
An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.
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17.07.2018 - 05:42
Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

"Crimea River"*
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17.07.2018 - 08:37
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Skrevet av Wheelo, 16.07.2018 at 15:34

Your knowledge is wasted here. Not too many people who can discuss this with you here tbh.


Yes random trivia fact is "knowledge."
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17.07.2018 - 12:13
Hey fapp, there is nothing wrong with communism and it is a perfect ideology; in fact, it is the only political philosophy that actually works, everything else is a failure. Prove me wrong.
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17.07.2018 - 18:55
Skrevet av winkcat, 16.07.2018 at 21:16

Fun fact i am actually related to rasputin from my mothers side


Rasputin was a peasant who aided and misled the Russian Court, but that's interesting, should it be true
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17.07.2018 - 18:55
Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 17.07.2018 at 08:37

Skrevet av Wheelo, 16.07.2018 at 15:34

Your knowledge is wasted here. Not too many people who can discuss this with you here tbh.


Yes random trivia fact is "knowledge."


I get your point but I get his aswell, you should put your hate aside and stop flexing any cerebral muscle
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17.07.2018 - 18:57
Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

Elites enslaving the masses and sending them to death has been the engine of Human Societies. The Hohenzollerns did it aswell, so did the Windsors and have been doing it still in a way. So did the Bourbons of France, Naples and Spain,the Bonaparte, the Habsburgs, the Savoy's, the Wittelsbach and the Bragança's, nothing justifies a brutal killing of mere kids tho
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17.07.2018 - 18:59
Skrevet av Guest, 16.07.2018 at 20:11

There was even a pretender who claimed to the missing princess for years but then later they found out it was all fake. If anyone is curious there are still some living relatives of the family alive today.


The extended Imperial Family is still alive, cousins of Nicholas II I think
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17.07.2018 - 19:55
 4nic
Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

just like the elitist soviet oligarchs
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18.07.2018 - 00:18
Skrevet av Al Fappino, 17.07.2018 at 18:57

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

Elites enslaving the masses and sending them to death has been the engine of Human Societies. The Hohenzollerns did it aswell, so did the Windsors and have been doing it still in a way. So did the Bourbons of France, Naples and Spain,the Bonaparte, the Habsburgs, the Savoy's, the Wittelsbach and the Bragança's, nothing justifies a brutal killing of mere kids tho


Your thinking is so low I can't even be bothered. But then again, people thinking like you, who submit like mindless slaves, made it all possible, so I guess people who died should not be pitied. Hohenzollerns, UK royal family, King of Romania,( and probably Russia too not sure and too lazy to check now), were actually all a big family, they had some kind of blood ties. Wilhelm II (Last Kaiser) was a cousin of King of UK and said that if the aunt was still alive, the UK wouldn't dare get into the war. In other words, one big family playing AtWar in real life, using everyone the way we use units here. They received a well-deserved massacre. Russia was starving. Why do you think they were overthrown? Hint: it was everyone who wanted them gone, not just the commies. They had everything, and brought this shit upon themselves
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18.07.2018 - 00:20
Skrevet av 4nic, 17.07.2018 at 19:55

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

just like the elitist soviet oligarchs


True, Except the soviet war was a war of survival. WW1 was a war for no reason, as you can see from the results of the russian army: not motivated to do any advance. Would you be motivated if you were sent to kill some guys randomly for no reason, if you aren't being invaded, just because of some shit that happened in serbia? Probably not. Remember the brits and germans played football on christmas, there was no hatred or motivation in ww1, aside from the whims of these cocksucker "royalties" and a few bloodthirsty generals, who would have sued for peace immediately if they themselves would have to fight in the trenches
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18.07.2018 - 00:41
Skrevet av Al Fappino, 17.07.2018 at 18:55

Skrevet av winkcat, 16.07.2018 at 21:16

Fun fact i am actually related to rasputin from my mothers side


Rasputin was a peasant who aided and misled the Russian Court, but that's interesting, should it be true


also slept with the empress
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18.07.2018 - 06:27
Skrevet av Unleashed, 18.07.2018 at 00:18



Your thinking is so low I can't even be bothered. But then again, people thinking like you, who submit like mindless slaves, made it all possible, so I guess people who died should not be pitied. Hohenzollerns, UK royal family, King of Romania,( and probably Russia too not sure and too lazy to check now), were actually all a big family, they had some kind of blood ties. Wilhelm II (Last Kaiser) was a cousin of King of UK and said that if the aunt was still alive, the UK wouldn't dare get into the war. In other words, one big family playing AtWar in real life, using everyone the way we use units here. They received a well-deserved massacre. Russia was starving. Why do you think they were overthrown? Hint: it was everyone who wanted them gone, not just the commies. They had everything, and brought this shit upon themselves


1- The King of Romania was a Hohenzollern aswell, from one of the cadet branches

2- How come everything you mentioned can possibly counter my low thinking? Everything you mentioned was 9th grade WW1 content. Everybody knows WW1 was seen as a conflict of one big family, a kids rant by the German Kaiser who hated the English because of his mother who he blamed for everything and hated because the doctor who helped in his birth crippled his arm and he developed a big hate and frustration towards the English cause of that. Not only that, he thought his family ties would exceed State Interest and prevent George V and Nicholas II from warring their (disliked) cousin xd

3- A bad Royal Family does not justify brutal killings driven by ideological fanaticism, they were killed based on a rush trial because the White Forces were closing in and they quickly dispatched the murder because the local Soviet panicked. If they were at any level proud of this achievement, the execution of the Russian Imperial Family wouldn't have become a State Secret until the fall of the Soviet Union or taken so much time to (kinda fully) disclose.

4- Don't want to spoil your high-thinking but the October Revolution of the Bolsheviks was a counter-revolution to a Liberalistic February Revolution who advocated for a Republic, and even within them, there were sizeable amounts of monarchists who rallied in hopes of establishing a Constitutional Monarchy with another member of the Romanov's. They were overthrown because Nicholas was a pure monarchical traditionalist engulfed in 18th century divine-right conceptions of power, clearly out of its time and saw WW1 as a way to gain more land, riches and implement Russia's greatness as a big actor on european-world stage (just like Alexander with the Fall of Napoleon). Lack of popularity of one monarch does not mean per se the lack of popularity of the entire regime. They were also essentially overthrown because Nicholas refused change, and they couldn't prossecute Russia's modernization with him as a stalling element. Does that justify a massacre?

5- Small heads up, they all shared blood ties because of Queen Victoria, nicknamed the "grandmother of europe" whose kids married and integrated most European Royal Families, and they were germans themselves, which also connects with the fact nearly every European Royal Army is of some German-Austrian background (Except the Bourbon's, the Órlean's and the Bonaparte and partly, the Bragança's).

6- In relation to what I said before, not everyone really wanted them gone, might just think of the 1905 Revolution, who prossecuted to install an attempt of a Constitutional Monarchy while keeping the Romanovs in the Russian throne.
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Skrevet av Unleashed, 18.07.2018 at 00:41

also slept with the empress


His dick is also for show at some Museum in St. Petersburg xd
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18.07.2018 - 07:46
Skrevet av Al Fappino, 18.07.2018 at 06:27

Skrevet av Unleashed, 18.07.2018 at 00:18



Your thinking is so low I can't even be bothered. But then again, people thinking like you, who submit like mindless slaves, made it all possible, so I guess people who died should not be pitied. Hohenzollerns, UK royal family, King of Romania,( and probably Russia too not sure and too lazy to check now), were actually all a big family, they had some kind of blood ties. Wilhelm II (Last Kaiser) was a cousin of King of UK and said that if the aunt was still alive, the UK wouldn't dare get into the war. In other words, one big family playing AtWar in real life, using everyone the way we use units here. They received a well-deserved massacre. Russia was starving. Why do you think they were overthrown? Hint: it was everyone who wanted them gone, not just the commies. They had everything, and brought this shit upon themselves


1- The King of Romania was a Hohenzollern aswell, from one of the cadet branches

2- How come everything you mentioned can possibly counter my low thinking? Everything you mentioned was 9th grade WW1 content. Everybody knows WW1 was seen as a conflict of one big family, a kids rant by the German Kaiser who hated the English because of his mother who he blamed for everything and hated because the doctor who helped in his birth crippled his arm and he developed a big hate and frustration towards the English cause of that. Not only that, he thought his family ties would exceed State Interest and prevent George V and Nicholas II from warring their (disliked) cousin xd

3- A bad Royal Family does not justify brutal killings driven by ideological fanaticism, they were killed based on a rush trial because the White Forces were closing in and they quickly dispatched the murder because the local Soviet panicked. If they were at any level proud of this achievement, the execution of the Russian Imperial Family wouldn't have become a State Secret until the fall of the Soviet Union or taken so much time to (kinda fully) disclose.

4- Don't want to spoil your high-thinking but the October Revolution of the Bolsheviks was a counter-revolution to a Liberalistic February Revolution who advocated for a Republic, and even within them, there were sizeable amounts of monarchists who rallied in hopes of establishing a Constitutional Monarchy with another member of the Romanov's. They were overthrown because Nicholas was a pure monarchical traditionalist engulfed in 18th century divine-right conceptions of power, clearly out of its time and saw WW1 as a way to gain more land, riches and implement Russia's greatness as a big actor on european-world stage (just like Alexander with the Fall of Napoleon). Lack of popularity of one monarch does not mean per se the lack of popularity of the entire regime. They were also essentially overthrown because Nicholas refused change, and they couldn't prossecute Russia's modernization with him as a stalling element. Does that justify a massacre?

5- Small heads up, they all shared blood ties because of Queen Victoria, nicknamed the "grandmother of europe" whose kids married and integrated most European Royal Families, and they were germans themselves, which also connects with the fact nearly every European Royal Army is of some German-Austrian background (Except the Bourbon's, the Órlean's and the Bonaparte and partly, the Bragança's).

6- In relation to what I said before, not everyone really wanted them gone, might just think of the 1905 Revolution, who prossecuted to install an attempt of a Constitutional Monarchy while keeping the Romanovs in the Russian throne.


Thanks for using 10x more words to repeat what I already said. Now face the facts, the monarchy was a complete and utter failure and ended in complete disaster. To feel bad about the death of someone who sent millions to die without any remorse is foolish and naive, but I guess that's what propaganda and public school in portugal does to your brain.

And by the way, that doesn't mean I side with the commies - they were an even greater evil, but only had the opportunity to rise because of the stupidity of the imperial family and its advisors. (and Germany sending Lenin to Finland, which then came back to bite it in the ass, but that's for another convesation). Wilhelm himself was quite a looney, writing to Hitler after France fell in 30 days "congrats, you defeated france with MY soldiers". What a lunatic, more proof the imperial nobilities were fucked in the head and needed to go. It's also why sheeple worshipping "harry's wedding" makes me nauseous. But whatever, the sheeple gonna sheep, and die in pointless wars, that's what they do.
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18.07.2018 - 18:31
Skrevet av Al Fappino, 16.07.2018 at 14:59




About reasons, Russia was not starving, just big cities because food distribution failed (peasants stopped deliveries due to low prices, waiting higher, and military ordered them to send food to the front), villages being 90% of society means 90% didn't starve, as they were close to food source. But when 1 million starves in the city, especially capital, that seems like the whole country, despite being only 50km^2

Russia didnt need change/reform, it was capitalist for 50 years until WW1, not feudal, same laws as in Western Europe or United States. People were angry because the war, not economic system. Those who wanted political change were radicals, communists and students, which merged with anti-war protests and created a hybrid anti-regime movement 'led by the communists', which then lost in 1917 elections and started civil war.

Too bad Whites didn't win, February revolution created republic, which would turn into Russian Federation, 100 years before this one and it would have Central Asia and Ukraine :/
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19.07.2018 - 05:02
Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

followed by a Communist Regime that decimated the people in following 8 decaded (whit a Hick-up during WW2 where the Nazi's took that over)
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19.07.2018 - 07:12
Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 05:02

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

followed by a Communist Regime that decimated the people in following 8 decaded (whit a Hick-up during WW2 where the Nazi's took that over)


Thanks for proving my point. The commies came to power because of the monarchy's failure, and if they wouldn't have entered a pointless war, there'd be no chance for commies to use that as an opportunity to take over. In other words, not only did they sent millions to die for nothing, but enabled an even worse criminal government to take over. Clap
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19.07.2018 - 08:17
Skrevet av Unleashed, 19.07.2018 at 07:12

Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 05:02

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

followed by a Communist Regime that decimated the people in following 8 decaded (whit a Hick-up during WW2 where the Nazi's took that over)


Thanks for proving my point. The commies came to power because of the monarchy's failure, and if they wouldn't have entered a pointless war, there'd be no chance for commies to use that as an opportunity to take over. In other words, not only did they sent millions to die for nothing, but enabled an even worse criminal government to take over. Clap

actually if you were living in that era you'd probably be amongst those Plebians demanding the Hides of the Tsar and his Family thus being a criminal in the process but hey whats a little bit of Bloodlust am i right Unleashed?, also the mistakes of the Tsar Nicholas does not mean Russia was deserving of the Rape and Destruction that followed in Russia and the Surrounding nations and the planet at large for that matter but what do i know..
also enabled an even worse criminal government? you seem to be lacking in history, as the White Army and its Generals fought for years to destroy the communists while the rest of the world sat back and did nothing to aid them but hey if it isnt convientent let it fester and rot am i right Unleashed?
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19.07.2018 - 10:16
Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 08:17

Skrevet av Unleashed, 19.07.2018 at 07:12

Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 05:02

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

followed by a Communist Regime that decimated the people in following 8 decaded (whit a Hick-up during WW2 where the Nazi's took that over)


Thanks for proving my point. The commies came to power because of the monarchy's failure, and if they wouldn't have entered a pointless war, there'd be no chance for commies to use that as an opportunity to take over. In other words, not only did they sent millions to die for nothing, but enabled an even worse criminal government to take over. Clap

actually if you were living in that era you'd probably be amongst those Plebians demanding the Hides of the Tsar and his Family thus being a criminal in the process but hey whats a little bit of Bloodlust am i right Unleashed?, also the mistakes of the Tsar Nicholas does not mean Russia was deserving of the Rape and Destruction that followed in Russia and the Surrounding nations and the planet at large for that matter but what do i know..
also enabled an even worse criminal government? you seem to be lacking in history, as the White Army and its Generals fought for years to destroy the communists while the rest of the world sat back and did nothing to aid them but hey if it isnt convientent let it fester and rot am i right Unleashed?


https://youtu.be/8rh6qqsmxNs?t=48s
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19.07.2018 - 10:46
Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 08:17

Skrevet av Unleashed, 19.07.2018 at 07:12

Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 05:02

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

followed by a Communist Regime that decimated the people in following 8 decaded (whit a Hick-up during WW2 where the Nazi's took that over)


Thanks for proving my point. The commies came to power because of the monarchy's failure, and if they wouldn't have entered a pointless war, there'd be no chance for commies to use that as an opportunity to take over. In other words, not only did they sent millions to die for nothing, but enabled an even worse criminal government to take over. Clap

actually if you were living in that era you'd probably be amongst those Plebians demanding the Hides of the Tsar and his Family thus being a criminal in the process but hey whats a little bit of Bloodlust am i right Unleashed?, also the mistakes of the Tsar Nicholas does not mean Russia was deserving of the Rape and Destruction that followed in Russia and the Surrounding nations and the planet at large for that matter but what do i know..
also enabled an even worse criminal government? you seem to be lacking in history, as the White Army and its Generals fought for years to destroy the communists while the rest of the world sat back and did nothing to aid them but hey if it isnt convientent let it fester and rot am i right Unleashed?

I think the UK sent a few warships to combat the Bolsheviks, I have a ww1 book that is almost all photos that document the war in order and near the end of the book, at the end of 1918 theres a photo of a UK warship that is fighting against the Bolsheviks, but tbh that was almost all ive heard about UK aiding the whites.
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19.07.2018 - 12:55
Skrevet av Cheerfultitanic, 19.07.2018 at 10:46

Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 08:17

Skrevet av Unleashed, 19.07.2018 at 07:12

Skrevet av Seranox, 19.07.2018 at 05:02

Skrevet av Unleashed, 16.07.2018 at 23:58

An elitist family who sent millions to die for nothing but their whims, finally got what they deserve. Boo hoo, cry me a russian river.

followed by a Communist Regime that decimated the people in following 8 decaded (whit a Hick-up during WW2 where the Nazi's took that over)


Thanks for proving my point. The commies came to power because of the monarchy's failure, and if they wouldn't have entered a pointless war, there'd be no chance for commies to use that as an opportunity to take over. In other words, not only did they sent millions to die for nothing, but enabled an even worse criminal government to take over. Clap

actually if you were living in that era you'd probably be amongst those Plebians demanding the Hides of the Tsar and his Family thus being a criminal in the process but hey whats a little bit of Bloodlust am i right Unleashed?, also the mistakes of the Tsar Nicholas does not mean Russia was deserving of the Rape and Destruction that followed in Russia and the Surrounding nations and the planet at large for that matter but what do i know..
also enabled an even worse criminal government? you seem to be lacking in history, as the White Army and its Generals fought for years to destroy the communists while the rest of the world sat back and did nothing to aid them but hey if it isnt convientent let it fester and rot am i right Unleashed?

I think the UK sent a few warships to combat the Bolsheviks, I have a ww1 book that is almost all photos that document the war in order and near the end of the book, at the end of 1918 theres a photo of a UK warship that is fighting against the Bolsheviks, but tbh that was almost all ive heard about UK aiding the whites.


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Many western countries aided the whites, which is why Stalin hated them even more than Nazi Germany at the start of WW2
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19.07.2018 - 16:31
Skrevet av Unleashed, 18.07.2018 at 07:46


Thanks for using 10x more words to repeat what I already said [...] To feel bad about the death of someone who sent millions to die without any remorse is foolish and naive, but I guess that's what propaganda and public school in portugal does to your brain.


I nitpicked this for its blatant stupidity. I simply perfected your imperfections that weren't fully accurate. At most, I tried complementing and correcting some of your thoughts before. Knowledge doesn't hurt you know, simplicity is futile.

This is not a thread about feeling bad for the killing of the Imperial Family, it's a thread of rememberance. As I said, knowledge is something that must be cherished, I was simply trying to post an Historic Fact on a community that tilts to show interest in History.

I guess its pointless to enlighten the brutes..
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19.07.2018 - 16:37
Skrevet av Skanderbeg, 18.07.2018 at 18:31

Skrevet av Al Fappino, 16.07.2018 at 14:59




About reasons, Russia was not starving, just big cities because food distribution failed (peasants stopped deliveries due to low prices, waiting higher, and military ordered them to send food to the front), villages being 90% of society means 90% didn't starve, as they were close to food source. But when 1 million starves in the city, especially capital, that seems like the whole country, despite being only 50km^2

Russia didnt need change/reform, it was capitalist for 50 years until WW1, not feudal, same laws as in Western Europe or United States. People were angry because the war, not economic system. Those who wanted political change were radicals, communists and students, which merged with anti-war protests and created a hybrid anti-regime movement 'led by the communists', which then lost in 1917 elections and started civil war.

Too bad Whites didn't win, February revolution created republic, which would turn into Russian Federation, 100 years before this one and it would have Central Asia and Ukraine :/


That's true though, the issue with the uprising lied basically on city uprisings, since the Bolsheviks pretty much ate power from them, and not the villages. As you said, if this was a consensual movement, the civil war would not have broken out.

And same, if the Whites had won, there'd be either a Constitutional Monarchy or a Federal Republic, though it would probably degenerate into some Authoritarian form of regime due to the overall rise of fascism
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Skrevet av Al Fappino, 19.07.2018 at 16:37

if the Whites had won, there'd be either a Constitutional Monarchy or a Federal Republic, though it would probably degenerate into some Authoritarian form of regime due to the overall rise of fascism


Doubt it, this small Russia today have 200 ethnic groups, 100 years ago it had more and it was bigger country, hard to have rise of fascism or nationalism in such enviroment. I think even last 100 years history proves it, no major nationalist movement in north asia.
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19.07.2018 - 21:02
Skrevet av Skanderbeg, 19.07.2018 at 17:48

Doubt it, this small Russia today have 200 ethnic groups, 100 years ago it had more and it was bigger country, hard to have rise of fascism or nationalism in such enviroment. I think even last 100 years history proves it, no major nationalist movement in north asia.


Absolutely right tbh, if it were to happen, it would have been one of those unique single-case conceptions of a sort of transnationalism or exacerbation of an ultra Russian State or what not.

What we can agree for sure is the fact had the Whites won and Russia would have gone a different path of transnationalist progress that would keep the lands of the Russian Empire, at least in majority, united.
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