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Postet av Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

26.08.2016 - 06:24
Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 03:12

Please aetius dont make a fool out of yourself...

Dictator - Absolute Commander of the State (must be an ex-Consul) +7 influence
Nominations: Only if 3 or more active wars or an active war a combined land and fleet strength ≥ 20.
No vote requried, picked by the Consuls , can be one of themselves, or anyone else they pick. If they can't agree no dictator will be appointed.

its not a vote required process.


Dictator can only be in place if 3 or more active wars are in play. Read the rules yourself

Chump
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26.08.2016 - 06:51
There shouldn't even be a dictator vote until there are 3 active wars. So why are we voting on a dictator when there are only 2?
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26.08.2016 - 07:12
Skrevet av Phoenix, 26.08.2016 at 06:51

There shouldn't even be a dictator vote until there are 3 active wars. So why are we voting on a dictator when there are only 2?

enemies with a combined strength of 30 naval+army power, to appoint dictators this needs to be above or at 20
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26.08.2016 - 07:41
Skrevet av Tirpitz406, 26.08.2016 at 07:12

Skrevet av Phoenix, 26.08.2016 at 06:51

There shouldn't even be a dictator vote until there are 3 active wars. So why are we voting on a dictator when there are only 2?

enemies with a combined strength of 30 naval+army power, to appoint dictators this needs to be above or at 20


To appoint... i.e vote. so why is GoW crying?
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26.08.2016 - 08:36
Its badly worded, all it means is consuls pick one person and not multiple, sorry if there was confusion. Their appointment still has to be confirmed by the senate, especially a dictator, the most powerful office and Rome's paranoia of Kings!!111 This is the republic, _everything_ is voted on for better or worse (mostly worse)
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26.08.2016 - 08:44
Dictator Vote
2)nay

Consul Vote
1)Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime) & Gaius Antonius (El Tundero)

Censor Vote)
1

Praetor Vote
1)Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)

War on Illyria, creating the 1st Illyrian War
The Consuls have chosen declare war upon the impudent Illyrians for their Piracy, will the Senate approve
1)Aye

Who will command the 1st Gallic War?
2)Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) [Ripam Alexandriae]

Who will command the 1st Illyrian War?
2) Cassius Flavius (Aqollo) [Ripam Alexandriae]

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1) 4 fleets and 4 Legions

Force deployments
1)Dispatch 9 Legions to fight Gauls, 8 fleets to attack Carthage, 3 Fleets and 5 Legions to attack Illyria

Trial of Gaius Antonius (El Tundero)
innocent

Trial of Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)
Innocent
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26.08.2016 - 08:49
Skrevet av Aetius, 26.08.2016 at 08:36

Its badly worded, all it means is consuls pick one person and not multiple, sorry if there was confusion. Their appointment still has to be confirmed by the senate, especially a dictator, the most powerful office and Rome's paranoia of Kings!!111 This is the republic, _everything_ is voted on for better or worse (mostly worse)

hue.
worst coverup ever
why would it say No vote requried, if a vote is required?
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26.08.2016 - 09:00
Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 08:49

worst coverup ever
why would it say No vote requried, if a vote is required?


Well the point is moot because pyrrhus and I were chatting and if he had known you would become dictator with no election he said he won't agree to appointing you. So the senate doesn't want you nor does your co-consul although he did vote for you it seems. Anyway, waiting for you to vote.
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26.08.2016 - 09:15
Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 08:49

Skrevet av Aetius, 26.08.2016 at 08:36

Its badly worded, all it means is consuls pick one person and not multiple, sorry if there was confusion. Their appointment still has to be confirmed by the senate, especially a dictator, the most powerful office and Rome's paranoia of Kings!!111 This is the republic, _everything_ is voted on for better or worse (mostly worse)

hue.
worst coverup ever
why would it say No vote requried, if a vote is required?


Oh I dont know... Maybe because when there aren't 3 active wars a vote IS required
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26.08.2016 - 09:48
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Gow whining and complaining about rules again in order to get it changed to suit him. Why I'm I not even suprised.

Here is a new rule I think we should have.
Gow automatically wins and everybody lose.
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26.08.2016 - 09:49
Skrevet av Phoenix, 26.08.2016 at 09:15

Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 08:49

Skrevet av Aetius, 26.08.2016 at 08:36

Its badly worded, all it means is consuls pick one person and not multiple, sorry if there was confusion. Their appointment still has to be confirmed by the senate, especially a dictator, the most powerful office and Rome's paranoia of Kings!!111 This is the republic, _everything_ is voted on for better or worse (mostly worse)

hue.
worst coverup ever
why would it say No vote requried, if a vote is required?


Oh I dont know... Maybe because when there aren't 3 active wars a vote IS required

Actually a vote isn't required when the enemy has a combined strength of greater than or equal to 20. Carthage has 20 without general and 26 with general. Since both Pyrrhus and Gow had agreed to gow being dictator he should be dictator. On the other hand, if the Consuls can arbitrarily appoint a dictator, this game is gonna get screwed up real fast. So if Aetius is changing the rules to a vote, even if it is to ensure that gow doesn't get too much influence, rather than any sort of mistake on his part, I'd agree to it.
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26.08.2016 - 09:50
Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 26.08.2016 at 09:48

Gow whining and complaining about rules again in order to get it changed to suit him. Why I'm I not even suprised.

Here is a new rule I think we should have.
Gow automatically wins and everybody lose.

Gow wasn't whining and complaining to change the rules. The rules were either badly worded, or changed by Aetius to ensure gow doesn't get the dictator position. If you're not even surprised, don't comment
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26.08.2016 - 09:51


Hear me,

This game is very interesting and i would like us to try and create Roman Empire (+-Emperor) by conquering South Europe and North Africa. Clearly this many wars, bad omens and unrest is not helping us, and neither our squabbling. I advise to change game rules so we can try to win by recreating historical Roman Empire, that way there won't be 1 winner, but all of us. It's like playing team game against AI and not against each other. Our enemy will be Carthage, Gauls, Brits, Germans, Dacians, Illyrians, Seleucids, Egypt, Bad Omens and Unrest but in 'easy mode', not throwing 2-3 enemies on us at once.

Also, i propose to start with more income and wealth as that will help us and because Roman Republic was really more wealthy and better organized than the rest of the neighbors.

This current game is about to reach its end (again) and we didn't even took one region, let alone defeat one enemy. So reducing the difficulty and giving more income (to the State) will balance the things out.

If not here, than after this game. If not changing rules, then modifiying them for the new try.
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26.08.2016 - 09:55
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Skrevet av Darth., 26.08.2016 at 09:50

Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 26.08.2016 at 09:48


Gow wasn't whining and complaining to change the rules. The rules were either badly worded, or changed by Aetius to ensure gow doesn't get the dictator position. If you're not even surprised, don't comment


Here comes his brown noser lackey to blindly defend him on everything.

Look kid, I know enigma is the first big clan you've been in, but if you're going to blindly follow your leader like kim jong il, then you are a fool.
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26.08.2016 - 09:56
Skrevet av Skanderbeg, 26.08.2016 at 09:51

Hear me,

This game is very interesting and i would like us to try and create Roman Empire (+-Emperor) by conquering South Europe and North Africa. Clearly this many wars, bad omens and unrest is not helping us, and neither our squabbling. I advise to change game rules so we can try to win by recreating historical Roman Empire, that way there won't be 1 winner, but all of us. It's like playing team game against AI and not against each other. Our enemy will be Carthage, Gauls, Brits, Germans, Dacians, Illyrians, Seleucids, Egypt, Bad Omens and Unrest but in 'easy mode', not throwing 2-3 enemies on us at once.

Na the 2-3 enemies is what makes it fun and complicated. But other than that..great idea. Support
Sitat:

Also, i propose to start with more income and wealth as that will help us and because Roman Republic was really more wealthy and better organized than the rest of the neighbors.

It is already richer than its neighbors. It gets 10p income. The rest are getting 20-35 income. We become richer by conquering the heathen barbarians.
Sitat:

This current game is about to reach its end (again) and we didn't even took one region, let alone defeat one enemy. So reducing the difficulty and giving more income (to the State) will balance the things out.

No, keep it as it is (and maybe increase difficulty if we're doing it as a team without infighting amongst individuals). We could try and conquer beyond the boundaries of the Roman Empire...see how far we get before we die.
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26.08.2016 - 09:59
I have Darth ignored and he's still quoting me..

Fuck off kid, you're a nuisance.

Gow find a dick worth sucking.
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26.08.2016 - 09:59
Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 26.08.2016 at 09:55

Skrevet av Darth., 26.08.2016 at 09:50

Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 26.08.2016 at 09:48


Gow wasn't whining and complaining to change the rules. The rules were either badly worded, or changed by Aetius to ensure gow doesn't get the dictator position. If you're not even surprised, don't comment


Here comes his brown noser lackey to blindly defend him on everything.

Look kid, I know enigma is the first big clan you've been in, but if you're going to blindly follow your leader like kim jong il, then you are a fool.

Yeah...that's nice dude. While I'm busy 'brown nosing' and being a 'fool' why don't you use that brain of yours and realise exactly how much hypocrisy was there in that sentence...
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26.08.2016 - 10:00
Someone do me a favour and tell Phoenix I was agreeing with him
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26.08.2016 - 10:02
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Skrevet av Darth., 26.08.2016 at 09:59

Yeah...that's nice dude. While I'm busy 'brown nosing' and being a 'fool' why don't you use that brain of yours and realise exactly how much hypocrisy was there in that sentence...


Please do point out the hypocrisy instead of saying there is. I don't kiss the ass of clovis or anybody else who was leader of my clan in the past.
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26.08.2016 - 10:07
Will wait a bit longer for GoW and JF to vote but they already viewed thread and didn't post, so only like an hour or so. They could tip the consulship vote which is currently 35 for Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime) & Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) and 29 for Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) & Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)
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26.08.2016 - 10:09
Skrevet av Witch-Doctor, 26.08.2016 at 10:02

Skrevet av Darth., 26.08.2016 at 09:59

Yeah...that's nice dude. While I'm busy 'brown nosing' and being a 'fool' why don't you use that brain of yours and realise exactly how much hypocrisy was there in that sentence...


Please do point out the hypocrisy instead of saying there is. I don't kiss the ass of clovis or anybody else who was leader of my clan in the past.

Well look at the 'civilized western republican' wanting to learn from a 'brown nosing Indian kid'. You imply I can't defend gow without it being brown nosing, and yet the second someone comments on something thats against Phoenix, you're there to insult them, their mother, and their dog. And also, sure you don't
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26.08.2016 - 10:10
Skrevet av Aetius, 26.08.2016 at 10:07

Will wait a bit longer for GoW and JF to vote but they already viewed thread and didn't post, so only like an hour or so. They could tip the consulship vote which is currently 35 for Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime) & Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) and 29 for Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) & Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)

Gow said he is coming on in about 2 hours. Waiting until then is fine?
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26.08.2016 - 10:13
OK
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26.08.2016 - 10:27
Dictator Vote (NOTE: If the Dictator is elected he will take charge immediately and proposal votes of the Senate will become merely "advice" for the dictator)
1) Gaius Julius (GodofWar )

Consul Vote

2)Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) & Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)

Censor Vote

2)Caspiel Rex (Darth.)

Praetor Vote
2)Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816)


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"Now, the Senate shall vote on the proposals of the Consuls. Tribunes speak now or forever hold your peace!"

Wars

Declare War on Illyria, creating the 1st Illyrian War
The Consuls have chosen declare war upon the impudent Illyrians for their Piracy, will the Senate approve
1)Aye

Commands
The Consuls have chosen not to replace Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816) as overall commander of the First Punic War

Who will command the 1st Gallic War?
1) Consul Publius Marius (Pyrrhus )

Who will command the 1st Illyrian War?
1) Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu) (Gaius Julius (GodofWar ) promising to resign in favor of him)


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1) 4 fleets and 4 Legions



Force deployments
1)Dispatch 9 Legions to fight Gauls, 8 fleets to attack Carthage, 3 Fleets and 5 Legions to attack Illyria




Note: These people didn't donate last turn, I will now prosecute them as promised:


Trial of Gaius Antonius (El Tundero)
Presiding Censor: Herius Sertorius (Aetius)
Presiding PraetorQuantius Maximus (GC)(+8 votes due to oratory) will gain half 3 influence if he is prosecuted
Accused: Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) (+2 votes in his defense due to 2 influence)
Crime: Avarice (Minor Prosecution)
Penalty: -5 influence, -5 popularity, all concessions lost

Sertorius speaks
"Men of the senate, this man Gaius Antonius is guilty of hoarding his wealth in a time of war, exploiting the farmers while they are away fighting, we cannot let this injustice go unpunished.

As a jury of his peers, the Senate is now to declare its verdict on this case!"

abstain

Trial of Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)
Presiding Censor: Herius Sertorius (Aetius)
Presiding PraetorQuantius Maximus (GC)(+8 votes due to oratory) will gain half 3 influence if he is prosecuted
Accused: Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) (+9 votes in his defense due to 9 influence)
Crime: War Profiteering (Minor Prosecution)
Penalty: -5 influence, -5 popularity, all concessions lost

Sertorius speaks
"Men of the senate, this man Gaius Octavius is also guilty ofthe same crime, he benefits from the production of our fleets yet does not contribute. War profiteering is not roman!"

As a jury of his peers, the Senate is now to declare its verdict on this case!"

1) Innocent
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26.08.2016 - 10:32
Aetius 25.08.2016 - 11:20 Oh also since the Punic war has a greater strength than greater than or equal to 20 you may appoint a dictator if pyrrhus agrees

Aetius 25.08.2016 - 12:00 Tunder has nominated Phoenix as Dictator with a tribune, unless you guys propose your own to run against him he will take control of everything this turn


this clearly shows aetius saying that its not a choice or vote but that he will actually control it all.
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26.08.2016 - 10:36
Also i do agree to the fact that rome should win not one player.
this should be a game for fun and team effort not a 1 player takes all
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26.08.2016 - 10:40
Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 10:32

Aetius 25.08.2016 - 11:20 Oh also since the Punic war has a greater strength than greater than or equal to 20 you may appoint a dictator if pyrrhus agrees

Aetius 25.08.2016 - 12:00 Tunder has nominated Phoenix as Dictator with a tribune, unless you guys propose your own to run against him he will take control of everything this turn


this clearly shows aetius saying that its not a choice or vote but that he will actually control it all.


I never asked to be dictator, but tunders tribune didnt work... and pyrrhus didnt agree... so what do you want?

The rules state that when enemy strengh is up to 29.... you need to vote on it. Aetius' wording sucks sure, but this is in the board games rules and whenever theres a problem its best to refer back to it.... like the fact you were assasinated in phase 1 last game.. rules changed after error... and tunder assasinated when he was out of rome.. again after error it was resolved....

In this instance we already knew the rules from previous games.

Jesus, i thought I was the whiney one....
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26.08.2016 - 10:40
Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 10:36

Also i do agree to the fact that rome should win not one player.
this should be a game for fun and team effort not a 1 player takes all


its not.... any number of players can win
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26.08.2016 - 10:44
Skrevet av Phoenix, 26.08.2016 at 10:40

Skrevet av 1GodofWar1, 26.08.2016 at 10:36

Also i do agree to the fact that rome should win not one player.
this should be a game for fun and team effort not a 1 player takes all


its not.... any number of players can win

your wrong just shut the fuck up already you idiot.
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26.08.2016 - 10:45
Skrevet av Phoenix, 26.08.2016 at 10:40


I never asked to be dictator, but tunders tribune didnt work... and pyrrhus didnt agree... so what do you want?



actually pyrrhus did agree check his vote...
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