UPDATE: it appears we've been a bit hasty with the implementation, and not everyone's been happy, to put it mildly. So, we've now decided to remove automatic rank limitations from the Main room, and lower Beginners room allowed ranks to 0-6. Hopefullly it would be enough to accomplish what we set out to do, without pissing everyone off.
Hi everyone! One of the most frustrating things in atWar is transitioning from the Beginners room to Main. After being on top of things in the rather relaxed Beginners room, you're plunged into a tank full of sharks, with little warning. Suddenly the game is not fun anymore, and besides, a bunch of your friends are still in the Beginners, and you can't go there.
So we've decided to mix things up a little, and smoothen the transition between the rooms. First of all, the limit for the Beginners rooms has now been raised to rank 0-7 0-6. Main is still 3+.
Second, and most important, is the introduction of default rank limits for games. We had rank limits before, of course, but they've been always set to 0-20 by default, and not many people bothered altering them (and non-Premium players couldn't). Now rank limits are set to +-3 (relative to your rank) by default, with an option to change them to +-5. Ranks 10+ have default limits of 7-20, with an option to change it to 5-20 (or anything in between). Rank limits are automatically set in the Beginners room only
For example, if you're rank 5, you will now be able to open games in the Beginners room, but the rank limit will be set to 2-8 by default, which you can expand to 0-10. If you're rank 0, the default range will be 0-3.
We hope these changes will make games more evenly balanced, protect lower rank players and help them to gradually transition to playing more experienced players.
That feel when you see premium users complaining...
You are a nice person but by protecting Ivan it won't make you mod.
I am complaining for my side because i won't be able to play any game game other non premium player makes.That's why.
I'm not even defending this new change as I have my own concerns with it. But I see it kinda bad when premium members complains when this doesn't affect them at all.
You can remake the game to play with low ranks if that is what you want.
And all premium users can set minimal rank to 5, so this doesn't really affect them.
But why would low ranks join you at this point? There will be alolt of easier games why woukd they join a game to get smacked if they don't have to? This system will hurt high ranks badly? Time to start a new accpunt.
I honestly don't know what to think of this (yet). Allowing rank 7 to stay in begginers seems like a bit exagerated. In my personal opinion, as rank 7, one should already be developing his gameplay, not simply defeating rank 3 noobs. There's no skill involved in that.... Personally, I feel like there should be no beginners room at all. You could implemente this rank limit to the main room and get rid of the beginners room easily. That might help newbies to realize the level of the high ranks faster.
As for the rank limit, I'm still not sure of the cons and pros of it, will see how it develops
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I honestly don't know what to think of this (yet). Allowing rank 7 to stay in begginers seems like a bit exagerated. In my personal opinion, as rank 7, one should already be developing his gameplay, not simply defeating rank 3 noobs. There's no skill involved in that.... Personally, I feel like there should be no beginners room at all. You could implemente this rank limit to the main room and get rid of the beginners room easily. That might help newbies to realize the level of the high ranks faster.
As for the rank limit, I'm still not sure of the cons and pros of it, will see how it develops
This is unfair for the low ranks. Sometimes low ranks want to learn from high ranks in games but that won't be possible unless they find a way around the system. AtWar is starting to kill itself. GL anyways
Yeah, we've heard that since 2011. We'll figure something out for consenting low/high ranks
It's simple. Add a 'invite only' for low/high ranks not initally allowed. If a low rank wants in they click to join and wait for the host to approve. This will be a default option and can be disabled with premium.
I think the idea of providing a better way to transition is a good one, but I'm not sure that this will help a whole lot? When I first transitioned from beginners I did get beat up pretty bad but I also learned quickly. I think the best way to transition new players, and something I wish I had of had, was a mentor. Put the newbie in a few games along with a mentor. Being in a position to learn from an experienced player 'first hand' would go a long to a successful transition. Cheers...
Something needed to be done and it won't hurt to trial this. With premium the rank restriction can be removed anyway.
I still think that letting rank 7 players in beginners isn't that good of an idea. It will separate newbies even more from old players. Why not simply getting rid of the beginners room? Implement the rank limits in the main room and it should work exactly the same as the separation the beginner room would provide. The difference is that in this case, newbies would interact easily with higher ranks and probably even watch some of their games and learn! Pls, consider that option, it is way more efficient...
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Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you.
We're all people.
You need all ranks high and low to play 20 people maps/games
Way to kill just about every RP, scenario, mega sized map. Sure it works if you have 1000 people online at once hanging out in the lobby but with 40, 50, 60, 80 max it is just a terrible idea.
Edit: Can't join maybe 1/2 of the games....I expect a mass exodus from the game soon.
I'll find something else to play if nothing happens
The last update makes it impossible for lower ranks to learn from higher ranks as they are unable to play together,
bigger scenarios and roleplays aren't even playable at the moment.
For higher ranked players: you can only play certain scenarios, if the right amount of players are on and everyone feels like doing that. Meaning the variation in maps is tremendously low and especially high ranked players would suffer from this. (maybe forcing us to make alts to play more games in the future?)
I understand that better players shouldn't farm on the lower ranked players, but implementing this new system does not work, instead upgrade the tutoring program, and make more tutorials (perhaps giving protocoins) as a reward to players actively helping the new players might help reduce the farming.
New players Always had the option to turn on rank limits, if they wish to do so they should still be able to BY CHOICE and not being forced to.
We hope that the new update will be undone to make atwar playable again!
I agree with either going back to the way it was or eliminating the beginners room and allow for two automatics in the main room (0-6, and 6-20). The new system made it impossible to find or fill games today. Not what I paid for as a premium account.
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War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
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I logged on saw the notification about the change in rules and thought this could be great.
I went to the beginners room and played a world 50k game. I'm rank 5 almost 6 and I destroyed everyone in that game so easily it was astonishing.
Many of the "noobs" surrendered - I don't mean this with any offence but against a rank 5 player they didn't stand a chance. I understand that It is hard for players new ones joining the main room and realising they're seriously outclassed. I myself have recently made that transition. However I found that contrary to what u say about it being discouraging I found it to be a motivation getting me to play better and advance my "career". Instead of helping these new players u have allowed some lower ranked players like me to enter into their world meaning that they are no lonoger safe ANYWHERE. I believe this doesn't help them and will encourage them to leave atWar which is really a great game.
While i do like the idea of letting some sharks to enter in begginer, the +-3 rank limit should only apply in begginers room, there is no reason for it to exist in main, since now a rank 7 can play in begginers rooms with anyone practically
EDIT: you could also put a brief description of main room when changing lobbies, something like .................................. prepare to die
I wouldn't consider ranks 5-7 to be such vicious sharks
you never met rank 7 khal did you? i used to feast on the tears and blood of high ranks when i was 7 (especially goblin and mauzer). But i realise the average atwar player will not/is not as smart and strong as me and that makes my argument invalid, therefor i withdraw it. But i would still advise to make it max rank 5 or 6 for starters, just to see where it goes. Other than that, support
I've got the same problem and I'm premium (for game creation)
Before the update I could set whatever rank limits I chose, but now the max I can possibly set is 13 and the minimum I can possibly set is 5.
In our clan there are many players that are r4 and below. How are we supposed to practice if I can't make games with them? For premium players at the very least the rank limits should be fully customisable like they were before.
Also I think that anyone should be able to set the max rank to 20 regardless of what rank they are, encouraging the possibility of playing with higher ranks.
This update is not very ideal for map makers that are higher ranked, for example if they are ranked 11 or higher it will make it nearly impossible for them to fill any maps they create.
I hate to say this, but I don't see any good in this update. Please remove it. I beg you.
EDIT: I can also suspect that games in main room will be harder to fill seeing that now ranks 5-7 can join in the begginners room.
It's is now much harder for higher ranks to get games.
Lower ranks do not want to lose so, they make it easier for themselves.
It seems the higher ranks were not considered when making this decision.
That feel when you see premium users complaining...
You are a nice person but by protecting Ivan it won't make you mod.
I am complaining for my side because i won't be able to play any game game other non premium player makes.That's why.
I'm not even defending this new change as I have my own concerns with it. But I see it kinda bad when premium members complains when this doesn't affect them at all.
You can remake the game to play with low ranks if that is what you want.
Clovis, it does affect them.
agreed , it does
just look at main room , all games with rank limited max to rank 8 , 10 and maybe 12
i cant join any game , and if i make my own game , no one joins
all games i can play now is 3v3's , duels or cw's and everyone knows its not happening all day
Why not remove the beginner room all together.
Removing the beginner room would increase the amount of players in a game and keep the amount of total players in the lobby the same.
By making it from 0-7, all you do is increase the number of games made but less players per game. Since you split the amount of players 50/50 between beginner and main.
Why not remove the beginner room all together.
Removing the beginner room would increase the amount of players in a game and keep the amount of total players in the lobby the same.
By making it from 0-7, all you do is increase the number of games made but less players per game. Since you split the amount of players 50/50 between beginner and main.
i agree, ivan should remove the begginers room at this point
I can't play half of the games as rank 9 that is really bad.
There are currently 30 games in Main. 5 of them are restricted to you. So more like 1/6th.
ivan, would it not be better to remove the begginers room at this point? rank limits are currently like this anyways:
rank 0: 0-3 (good)
rank 1: 0-4 (good)
rank 2: 0-5 (good)
rank 3: 0-6 (good)
rank 4: 1-7 (good)
rank 5: 2-8 (good)
rank 6: 3-9 (could be better if it was -3/+4 instead of -3/+3) (3-10)
rank 7: 4-10 (could be better if it was -3/+4 instead of -3/+3) (4-11)
rank 8: 5-11 (could be better if it was -3/+5 instead of -3/+3) (5-13)
rank 9: 6-12 (after this rank it could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
rank 10: 7-13 (could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
rank 11: 8-14 (could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
rank 12: 9-15 (could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
rank 13: 10-15 (could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
rank 14: 11-15 (could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
rank 15: 12-15 (could be better if it was fixated at rank 5/unrestricted instead of -3/+3) (5-15)
UPDATE: it appears we've been a bit hasty with the implementation, so we've now decided to remove automatic rank limitations from the Main room, and lower Beginners room allowed ranks to 0-6. Hopefullly it would be enough to accomplish what we set out to do, without pissing everyone off. Update is coming in the morning.
Users of any rank should be allowed to use the Beginners room. I play in the Beginners room with a group of people who always play there. I don't want to be left out of their games because I have outranked them. Higher ranks are supposed to be rewards, not punishments. We want free use.
.................................. prepare to die 
for me.... I hate to be naysayer, but this doesn't feel like the right thing to do.... :/
i used to feast on the tears and blood of high ranks when i was 7 (especially goblin and mauzer). But i realise the average atwar player will not/is not as smart and strong as me and that makes my argument invalid, therefor i withdraw it. But i would still advise to make it max rank 5 or 6 for starters, just to see where it goes. Other than that, support 
